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    Default Re: South African schoolboy rugby viral tackle video

    For me once the tackler launched himself horizontally at the kicker he was no longer in a position to do anything to mitigate injury or risk. He can't pull out, he can't change his height, it's a reckless act. The red card would be more for that than any head contact process.

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    For me the intention was always to hurt, rather than to tackle , so that counts as reckless and dangerous

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    For me the intention was always to hurt, rather than to tackle , so that counts as reckless and dangerous
    Intention based decision making?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    Intention based decision making?
    Intention based decision making is how it used to be, and it is still in the Laws of Rugby. You might be surprised to learn how often you are called upon to judge the intent of a player.... you make these calls dozens of times in every game without realising it.

    In every one of the following you,as the referee, are charged with deciding whether a player's actions were intentional or not.



    LAW 9: Obstruction

    2. An offside player must not intentionally obstruct an opponent or interfere with play.
    3. A player must not intentionally prevent an opponent from tackling or attempting to tackle the ball-carrier.
    4. A player must not intentionally prevent an opponent from having the opportunity to play the ball, other than by competing for possession.
    5. A ball-carrier must not intentionally run into an off-side team-mate to obstruct the opposition.

    LAW 9: Unfair Play

    7. A player must not :
    a. Intentionally infringe any law of the game.
    b. Intentionally knock, place, push or throw the ball with arm or hand from the playing area.

    LAW 9: Dangerous play

    19. Dangerous play in a scrum.
    c. A front-row player must not intentionally lift an opponent off their feet or force the opponent upwards out of the scrum.
    d. A front-row player must not intentionally collapse a scrum.

    20. Dangerous play in a ruck or maul.
    c. A player must not intentionally collapse a ruck or a maul.

    25. A player must not intentionally charge or obstruct an opponent who has just kicked the
    ball.

    LAW 11: Knock On

    3. A player must not intentionally knock the ball forward with hand or arm.

    LAW 11:Throw Forward
    7. A player must not intentionally throw or pass the ball forward

    LAW 15: During a Ruck
    16. Players must not :
    b. Intentionally collapse a ruck or jump on top of it.
    c. Intentionally step on another player.

    LAW 16: During a Maul
    11. Players must not:
    a. Intentionally collapse a maul or jump on top of it.

    LAW 19: During a scrum
    23. A front-row player must not intentionally kick the ball out of the tunnel from the
    direction it was thrown.

    LAW 19: Dangerous Play and Restricted Practices in a Scrum
    37. Dangerous play in a scrum includes :
    c. Intentionally lifting an opponent off their feet or forcing them upwards out of the
    scrum.
    d. Intentionally collapsing a scrum.
    e. Intentionally falling or kneeling.

    LAW 20: Opposing Team at a Penalty or Free Kick
    15. The opposing team may not do anything to delay the kick or obstruct the kicker, including intentionally taking, throwing or kicking the ball out of reach of the team awarded the penalty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_Cook View Post
    Intention based decision making is how it used to be, and it is still in the Laws of Rugby. You might be surprised to learn how often you are called upon to judge the intent of a player.... you make these calls dozens of times in every game without realising it.
    yes, you're quite right. But CR is taking a mid-range YC offence into the lofty heights of heinous wickedness based solely on intent
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    yes, you're quite right. But CR is taking a mid-range YC offence into the lofty heights of heinous wickedness based solely on intent
    Well, and no-one is more surprised than me about this, I agree with Crossref.

    This was 100% premeditated. The Blue player lined up an opponent, charged at him at full speed, literally jumped shoulder first at him and delivered an extremely dangerous tackle, one that could easily have led to serious health consequences for the victim - the commentator rightly called this a potential career-ending tackle.

    I find the idea that this should just be a YC to be obscene. There is something very wrong with the Laws of a Game in which a tackle like this only draws the same punishment as an intentional knock-on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_Cook View Post
    Well, and no-one is more surprised than me about this, I agree with Crossref.

    This was 100% premeditated. The Blue player lined up an opponent, charged at him at full speed, literally jumped shoulder first at him and delivered an extremely dangerous tackle, one that could easily have led to serious health consequences for the victim - the commentator rightly called this a potential career-ending tackle.

    I find the idea that this should just be a YC to be obscene. There is something very wrong with the Laws of a Game in which a tackle like this only draws the same punishment as an intentional knock-on.
    Yes , that's exactly the way I see it
    I am not surprised that Ian agrees. I am surprised that you don't all see it that way.

    (and to boot .. and this is speculative, of course, I hazard a guess that he only had the nerve to do that because his victim was 15 kg lighter, bet he doesn't do that to people his own size)
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    It’s tackle is a really good example of where blindly following a protocol does not work for all scenarios. Yes, contact is below the shoulders, yes there is (probably) a wrap, yes there is no tip tackle. This does not mean the tackle is not dangerous, it does not mean it is not worthy of a RC.

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    Default Re: South African schoolboy rugby viral tackle video

    I think the consensus here on this forum is that the video shows a RC. At lower levels without a video I can certainly see the ‘offender’ getting off or having minimal sanction.
    Was there head contact? - no.
    Was there arm wrap? - yes
    Any tip tackle? - no
    Was it late? - Possibly but the player could argue that he was committed.
    Was there an injury? - no

    Ref - Why did you issue a RC? - ‘Because it looked dangerous’.

    Based on this, what would you do if you were on the disciplinary committee? I wouldn’t be surprised to see a ‘RC’ enough result. Sadly.

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    Do we have consensus that it's a RC ?
    I got the impression that is a minority view

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