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    Default Penalty kicked over dead ball line

    Hi,

    Blue team awarded a penalty on Reds 10 metre line.
    Blue takes the penalty with gusto and it goes through Reds dead ball area and over the dead ball line.

    I awarded a 22 metre drop out, should it have been a scrum where the penalty was taken?

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    Default Re: Penalty kicked over dead ball line

    Assuming kick from hand not place kick, then options, scrum back or 22 - I did exactly the same thing a few weeks back

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    Default Re: Penalty kicked over dead ball line

    Presuming it wasn’t a kick at goal....
    Then options 22 or scrum.

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    Default Re: Penalty kicked over dead ball line

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe@trfc View Post
    I awarded a 22 metre drop out, should it have been a scrum where the penalty was taken?
    As others have already pointed out, it should have been a choice of either.

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    BALL KICKED DEAD THROUGH IN-GOAL
    12. If a team kicks the ball through their opponents’ in-goal from the field of play into touchin-
    goal or on or over the dead-ball line, the defending team can choose :
    a. To have a drop-out anywhere on or behind the 22-metre line; or
    b. To have a scrum at the place where the ball was kicked.
    Exception : An unsuccessful kick at goal or attempted dropped goal. In these cases, the
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    Default Re: Penalty kicked over dead ball line

    Was it a place kick at goal? I'm not clear from the OP if it was or not
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    Default Re: Penalty kicked over dead ball line

    Thanks everyone

    I thought, as it was a penalty, the Blue team should get some advantage.

    I can't see why a kick at goal should be special

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    Default Re: Penalty kicked over dead ball line

    the scrum back option is because WR want to discourage long range speculative kicks into the opponent's in goal, or (if it wasn't there) kicks designed specifically just to force a 22'

    but they don't want to discourage attempts at goal, so no scrum back option for them
    Last edited by crossref; 01-11-19 at 18:11.

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    Default Re: Penalty kicked over dead ball line

    And not just over the dead-ball line either - it is the same for touch-in-goal (as Law 21.12 states). So a PK from hand that just goes the wrong side of the GL/Touch flag results in options (22 or scrum), rather than the 5m LO it would have been if successful.
    Be reasonable - do it my way.

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    Default Re: Penalty kicked over dead ball line

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe@trfc View Post
    Thanks everyone

    I thought, as it was a penalty, the Blue team should get some advantage.

    I can't see why a kick at goal should be special
    By definition, A kick at goal should have enough "wellie" to take it into in-goal if not through or out the other side. It would be totally against the spirit of the game to, effectively, "double penalise" a failed attempt at goal.

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