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    Default Re: Should the ladder/caterpiller ruck be outlawed?

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Or enforce the 9 to be behind the back foot, so that the ball has to heeled back along the caterpillar
    I agree with this. I think this would stop it because the 9 wouldn't trust the clumsy forward to heel the ball back through 5 people.

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    Default Re: Should the ladder/caterpiller ruck be outlawed?

    Quote Originally Posted by frenchie851 View Post
    I agree with this. I think this would stop it because the 9 wouldn't trust the clumsy forward to heel the ball back through 5 people.
    FWIW I don't think it would stop it at all.

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    Default Re: Should the ladder/caterpiller ruck be outlawed?

    Quote Originally Posted by frenchie851 View Post
    I agree with this. I think this would stop it because the 9 wouldn't trust the clumsy forward to heel the ball back through 5 people.
    That is what I was thinking..

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    Default Re: Should the ladder/caterpiller ruck be outlawed?

    Cut Down the "use it" time from 5s to 2s would help
    (Or even to immediately)

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    Default Re: Should the ladder/caterpiller ruck be outlawed?

    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    FWIW I don't think it would stop it at all.

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    Indeed. The whole point of the tactic is to create a gap for the 9 to use. Therefore he wants to be near the back. There is no point in the 9 pushing too far up the side.

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    Default Re: Should the ladder/caterpiller ruck be outlawed?

    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    FWIW I don't think it would stop it at all.

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    Disagree, if you're giving away a penalty every time you do it, then you'll soon stop it. Especially if you're giving away 3 points min each time you do it.

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    Default Re: Should the ladder/caterpiller ruck be outlawed?

    It seems to me to be an unintended consequence of the TWOL - no opposition players to push the back foot back, so the can stand that much closer. I don't see much of a problem with it, though - if a team want to commit another four forwards to a ruck then take the kick from three metres further back then good luck to them.

    But agree with Ian - proper policing of offside lines would make this a non-issue.

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    Default Re: Should the ladder/caterpiller ruck be outlawed?

    For me this is the refs fault at the top level, if the ball is at the back foot and clearly available they need to call use it. Sadly they don't.
    If you have a two man caterpillar and you call use it and somebody else joins in, tough luck.
    The other way I would stop it as an opportunity would be to get two men or more, arriving at the ruck leagally and hit the prone lead man hard. They would certainly think twice about trying it again
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    Default Re: Should the ladder/caterpiller ruck be outlawed?

    Quote Originally Posted by ctrainor View Post
    The other way I would stop it as an opportunity would be to get two men or more, arriving at the ruck leagally and hit the prone lead man hard. They would certainly think twice about trying it again
    I'm not sure that course of action is available to us as refs!! ;-)

    I'm definitely in the "use it" camp: the ball tends to have been clearly won quite some time before a picture like this emerges, and I'd take the view that the ball is available to be played at any point that it's being managed back... just not always by the 9 in the way they might like.

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    Default Re: Should the ladder/caterpiller ruck be outlawed?

    I agree with the "Use it" camp, once it has been secured and is available then you have 5 seconds to do something with the ball. Leaving it in the TWOL/Ruck and moving it back is negative play and should be discouraged.

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