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    Default Does half-time end if PK is kicked dead ? Exeter v Bath

    End of first half in the Exeter v Bath semi-final.
    Time has expired. ( > 40 mins on click ). Exeter have a man in sin-bin with about 3:30 mins left on that sin-bin time.
    A scrum ( which was awarded before the 40 mins was up must be completed). Exeter get a PK at the scrum. They choose to tap it and kick straight out to end the half.
    The loction pf the PK was well into Exeter's half and, although not kickable, what if Exeter decided to opt for a kick at goal ? They are entitled to a 60 seconds for this - right ?
    They could run down another 1 minute of the yellow-card clock.
    Well, that's a risk as, 15-man bath could catch the attempt and attack. However, what if Exeter knew they had a big kicker and , even if the posts are missed, they can kick the ball dead.
    Does the ball going dead (over the dead ball line ) end the half ?
    The law-book only mentions that a PK kicked "directly" to touch, does not end a half.
    But what about "kicked directly dead" ?

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    Default Re: Does half-time end if PK is kicked dead ? Exeter v Bath

    Is the issue that they tapped it first?

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    Default Re: Does half-time end if PK is kicked dead ? Exeter v Bath

    Simple answer to your question is YES....the half ends when the ball is kicked dead.

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    Default Re: Does half-time end if PK is kicked dead ? Exeter v Bath

    Quote Originally Posted by CrouchTPEngage View Post
    End of first half in the Exeter v Bath semi-final.
    Time has expired. ( > 40 mins on click ). Exeter have a man in sin-bin with about 3:30 mins left on that sin-bin time.
    A scrum ( which was awarded before the 40 mins was up must be completed). Exeter get a PK at the scrum. They choose to tap it and kick straight out to end the half.
    The loction pf the PK was well into Exeter's half and, although not kickable, what if Exeter decided to opt for a kick at goal ? They are entitled to a 60 seconds for this - right ?
    They could run down another 1 minute of the yellow-card clock.
    Well, that's a risk as, 15-man bath could catch the attempt and attack. However, what if Exeter knew they had a big kicker and , even if the posts are missed, they can kick the ball dead.
    Does the ball going dead (over the dead ball line ) end the half ?
    The law-book only mentions that a PK kicked "directly" to touch, does not end a half.
    But what about "kicked directly dead" ?
    In their efforts to 'simplify' the Laws the iRB have created some confusions.

    Fair question bearing in mind the ball can "kicked directly dead" if there is a genuine attempt at goal that misses the post and the ball goes over the dead-ball line. However, I would argue that this is not "directly dead", because although the ball hasn't been touched or bounced into dead a genuine attempt at goal has been made (IIRC there was a clarification on this a few years back).

    The only question comes if the team awarded the PK make a kick for field position and the kicker over cooks the kick and the ball goes into touch in the In-Goal area. I would suggest that in this instance the ball is still alive and the defending team get the 'option'.
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    Default Re: Does half-time end if PK is kicked dead ? Exeter v Bath

    From Law 5:

    A half ends when the ball becomes dead after time has expired unless:
    A penalty is kicked directly to touch without the ball first being tapped and without the ball touching another player.


    so over DBL or touch in goal doesn't count.

    Note too that the PK has to be DIRECT to touch (ie doesn't bounce into touch).
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Default Re: Does half-time end if PK is kicked dead ? Exeter v Bath

    I have another similar one that happened in a local Club Rugby game last weekend.

    Full time is up on the clock, as Red are awarded a PK. They want to play-on try to get a losing bonus point. Red player kicked to the corner, and Gold player jumps in the FOP and manages to tap the ball but it deflects off his hand into touch. Referee blows full time; howls from the (red supporting home) crowd.

    Referee tells Red captain (not an exact quote) '....to play-on with the line-out, your man has to put the ball into touch. He didn't, their man did'

    Is he right?
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    Default Re: Does half-time end if PK is kicked dead ? Exeter v Bath

    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_Cook View Post

    Is he right?
    works for me.

    PS: did you enjoy the Test?
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Default Re: Does half-time end if PK is kicked dead ? Exeter v Bath

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    works for me.

    PS: did you enjoy the Test?


    It was fantastic... one of the best.
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    Default Re: Does half-time end if PK is kicked dead ? Exeter v Bath

    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_Cook View Post
    It was fantastic... one of the best.
    and a faultless display from the officials :

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    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Default Re: Does half-time end if PK is kicked dead ? Exeter v Bath

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    and a faultless display from the officials :

    121306834_3625657454124686_8572525347476513894_n.jpg

    That's your boy who missed that!
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