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    Default Nigel Owens - Diolch yn fawr iawn (Thank you very much)

    I have looked through the forum threads and not a mention of for many the greatest referee's (to date) retirement from International Rugby.

    Below are 15 of his classics.

    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...s-one-19443805

    My English wife said a very sad day for Rugby.

    We will miss you and your excellent refereeing, Nigel. Thank you very much. .
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    Default Re: Nigel Owens - Diolch yn fawr iawn (Thank you very much)

    Agreed. His ability and enthusiasm shone through.

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    Default Re: Nigel Owens - Diolch yn fawr iawn (Thank you very much)

    Quote Originally Posted by Blindpugh View Post
    a great ref , no doubt about it - but for me many of those are his lowlights, not highlights. Refs should not embarrass or humiliate the players.
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    Default Re: Nigel Owens - Diolch yn fawr iawn (Thank you very much)

    Sense of humour and management technique transplant needed.

    I've not spoke to one player from Semi-pro up who has objected to Nigel's style. Plenty of "armchair experts" hate him. His style is not for most. We'd look stupid if we tried it. But he reads players nd has an empathy that (many) others do not have.

    One of the best but, YES, padt his best now it is time to go. Let's hope he keeps his "promise and drops down into the community game.

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    Default Re: Nigel Owens - Diolch yn fawr iawn (Thank you very much)

    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Wakeham View Post
    Sense of humour and management technique transplant needed.
    oh, he's funny, all right

    the question is whether it's appropriate for refs to make jokes at the expense of players


    but of course a great ref

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    Default Re: Nigel Owens - Diolch yn fawr iawn (Thank you very much)

    You seem to be in very small group who don't get it. Perhaps that says more about you than Nigel?

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    Default Re: Nigel Owens - Diolch yn fawr iawn (Thank you very much)

    Q1 is it ok for referees to make funny wisecracks that embarrass or humiliate players ?
    Q2 is it ok for Nigel Owens to make funny wisecracks that embarrass or humiliate players?

    For me it's No and No
    I accept that for Q2 I am in a tiny minority, but for Q1 believe not
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    Default Re: Nigel Owens - Diolch yn fawr iawn (Thank you very much)

    What are a players’ list of expectations from a referee? If they are prioritised then embarrassing a player would come lower in the list than being a cheat, allowing unsafe behaviour, not knowing the laws and how to apply them equitably and consistently, not understanding the context of the game and the nature of play. Embarrassing and humiliating a player ideally shouldn’t happen but these generally are forgivable by players while the former probably aren’t if they give the wrong result and cost the players financially as well as status. Luckily NO is better at achieving the former list than most.
    The players know what they are going to get when they know that NO has been appointed. They perhaps expect the occasional ‘quip’ just as they perhaps expect him to be accurate and fair. Every referee if he is known to players/teams comes with a ‘package’ and this applies at community level as well as international. If a team/teams or players had real issues with a ref then the people appointing would receive the message and that referee would not be appointed. Judging by the number of appointments NO has had at various levels and in the numerous competitions I would suggest that there haven’t been many complaints.

    I know that some players even at the level I refereed weren’t particularly happy to see me turn up but thankfully from the feedback I got and the appointments I had, the vast majority were very happy with the ‘package’ I brought to the game. What you get away with as a ref depends on the respect that players have for you. NO has earned respect so can get away with an approach that others without the necessary respect couldn’t. What a referee mustn’t do is copy another referee’s approach if they haven’t got the personality or the respect of players. I personally played up to being a ‘self deprecating miserable sod’ which seemed to allow me to get in the odd bit of humiliating banter with players.
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    Default Re: Nigel Owens - Diolch yn fawr iawn (Thank you very much)

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Q1 is it ok for referees to make funny wisecracks that embarrass or humiliate players ?
    Q2 is it ok for Nigel Owens to make funny wisecracks that embarrass or humiliate players?

    For me it's No and No
    I accept that for Q2 I am in a tiny minority, but for Q1 believe not
    THe point is that there isno evidence to suggest that the players agree with you. Nice of you to take offence on their behalf though.

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    Default Re: Nigel Owens - Diolch yn fawr iawn (Thank you very much)

    Quote Originally Posted by Balones View Post
    What are a players’ list of expectations from a referee? If they are prioritised then embarrassing a player would come lower in the list than being a cheat, allowing unsafe behaviour, not knowing the laws and how to apply them equitably and consistently, not understanding the context of the game and the nature of play. Embarrassing and humiliating a player ideally shouldn’t happen but these generally are forgivable by players while the former probably aren’t if they give the wrong result and cost the players financially as well as status. Luckily NO is better at achieving the former list than most.
    The players know what they are going to get when they know that NO has been appointed. They perhaps expect the occasional ‘quip’ just as they perhaps expect him to be accurate and fair. Every referee if he is known to players/teams comes with a ‘package’ and this applies at community level as well as international. If a team/teams or players had real issues with a ref then the people appointing would receive the message and that referee would not be appointed. Judging by the number of appointments NO has had at various levels and in the numerous competitions I would suggest that there haven’t been many complaints.

    I know that some players even at the level I refereed weren’t particularly happy to see me turn up but thankfully from the feedback I got and the appointments I had, the vast majority were very happy with the ‘package’ I brought to the game. What you get away with as a ref depends on the respect that players have for you. NO has earned respect so can get away with an approach that others without the necessary respect couldn’t. What a referee mustn’t do is copy another referee’s approach if they haven’t got the personality or the respect of players. I personally played up to being a ‘self deprecating miserable sod’ which seemed to allow me to get in the odd bit of humiliating banter with players.
    SPOT ON! Put far better than I could.

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