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    Quote Originally Posted by Flish View Post
    Some on Twitter are claiming It didn’t go forward? But his hand was behind his leg, and it hit his leg, so ?!?
    some on Twitter are wrong. It went forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zebra1922 View Post
    some on Twitter are wrong.
    if only people had taken this view from the start, so many arguments could have been avoided...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave_clark View Post
    if only people had taken this view from the start, so many arguments could have been avoided...

    I keep telling people at work there’d be a lot less arguments and things would be much easier if they just accept I’m right.

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    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...knock-19932005

    Nigel Owens gives his view: neither try should have been allowed.
    He trudg’d along unknowing what he sought,
    And whistled as he went, for want of thought.
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    Nigel is at risk of becoming the Welsh Kaplan
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    Tullamore Dew, the Afghan Wigs, and many, many strippers - how to get over your ex. How true.

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    He certainly appears to have become rent a gob

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    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    He certainly appears to have become rent a gob
    Hasn’t he earned the right? Nigel has always been willing to discuss his decisions in the open (even if he was wrong and wouldn’t admit it) whereas professional referees in the other parts of the UK won’t openly engage. It appears to me that he is continuing to do what he has always done but is now being given a a wider platform by various media to discuss the decisions of other referees. He is now a pundit and all sports have their pundits to provide ‘expert’ insight to decisions made by officials and players/participants. Don’t we want expert pundits in our game? We do have a lot of so called experts who were only players pontificating on the laws when quite often (as shown on this forum) they haven’t got a clue what they are talking about. When they are talking about play making decisions and the action/skills of players I think we accept to a greater degree their opinion. Having an ‘expert’ referee giving his opinion can’t be a bad thing can it? He will be learning his trade and has to be careful that he doesn’t use ‘I wouldn’t/would have done that’ etc too much. Geoff Boycott comes to mind in this respect.
    So overall - early days in NO’s semi-retirement, let’s see how it goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balones View Post
    Hasn’t he earned the right? Nigel has always been willing to discuss his decisions in the open (even if he was wrong and wouldn’t admit it) whereas professional referees in the other parts of the UK won’t openly engage. It appears to me that he is continuing to do what he has always done but is now being given a a wider platform by various media to discuss the decisions of other referees. He is now a pundit and all sports have their pundits to provide ‘expert’ insight to decisions made by officials and players/participants. Don’t we want expert pundits in our game? We do have a lot of so called experts who were only players pontificating on the laws when quite often (as shown on this forum) they haven’t got a clue what they are talking about. When they are talking about play making decisions and the action/skills of players I think we accept to a greater degree their opinion. Having an ‘expert’ referee giving his opinion can’t be a bad thing can it? He will be learning his trade and has to be careful that he doesn’t use ‘I wouldn’t/would have done that’ etc too much. Geoff Boycott comes to mind in this respect.
    So overall - early days in NO’s semi-retirement, let’s see how it goes.
    I think it's a wider question.

    Rugby has always prided itself on the respect shown to referees and if you have former referees openly saying current referees are wrong then there is a risk of eroding that.

    That's not to say there's no place for former referees as pundits, but a bit of a more measured approach: "this is what the referee's looking for" "this is why he gave the decision he did", that sort of thing.

    Or better still "No Jerry, that's not what the law says".

    Granted it's hard when they've made a howler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Balones View Post
    Hasn’t he earned the right? Nigel has always been willing to discuss his decisions in the open (even if he was wrong and wouldn’t admit it) whereas professional referees in the other parts of the UK won’t openly engage. It appears to me that he is continuing to do what he has always done but is now being given a a wider platform by various media to discuss the decisions of other referees. He is now a pundit and all sports have their pundits to provide ‘expert’ insight to decisions made by officials and players/participants. Don’t we want expert pundits in our game? We do have a lot of so called experts who were only players pontificating on the laws when quite often (as shown on this forum) they haven’t got a clue what they are talking about. When they are talking about play making decisions and the action/skills of players I think we accept to a greater degree their opinion. Having an ‘expert’ referee giving his opinion can’t be a bad thing can it? He will be learning his trade and has to be careful that he doesn’t use ‘I wouldn’t/would have done that’ etc too much. Geoff Boycott comes to mind in this respect.
    So overall - early days in NO’s semi-retirement, let’s see how it goes.
    We do have them. ie player pundits.

    it doesn't make their opinions any more worthwhile.

    didds

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocY View Post
    I think it's a wider question.

    Rugby has always prided itself on the respect shown to referees and if you have former referees openly saying current referees are wrong then there is a risk of eroding that.

    That's not to say there's no place for former referees as pundits, but a bit of a more measured approach: "this is what the referee's looking for" "this is why he gave the decision he did", that sort of thing.

    Or better still "No Jerry, that's not what the law says".

    Granted it's hard when they've made a howler.
    Fair point and that is why I said ‘early days’. We’ve not had a regular expert ref pundit before so it’s a learning curve for all of us.

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