Bath Vs Wasps 8.1.21

[didds]

I'm wrong there are five signals

ENDING A LINEOUT

The lineout ends when:
The ball or a player in possession of the ball:

leaves the lineout; or

enters the area between the touchline and the five-metre line; or

goes beyond the 15-metre line.




A ruck or maul forms and all of the feet of all of the players in the ruck or maul move beyond the mark of touch.
The ball becomes unplayable.

These are not signals.

They are laws.

didds

[Balones]

We help players to adhere to / comply with the laws by using signals at appropriate times. A player 50M from the action cannot see what the referee can 1M in front of him/her. They are also used to explain a decision when the laws have not been complied with.

[Not Kurt Weaver]

These are not signals.

They are laws.

didds

no shit,

I can't make you drink, I can't even lead you to water.

Consider this, perhaps the ref should put the ball in the scrum also. You know to make sure it is straight.

[Not Kurt Weaver]

They are also used to explain a decision when the laws have not been complied with.

Actually, that is all signals are to be used. And with the exception of advantage, signals occur after a whistle to explain a decision.

Any other clues, or physical hints have influence on play. Refs should not have influence on a players decision at the risk of an unequal application to either side (intentionally or especially unintentionally)

[Decorily]

Your point being....

[Not Kurt Weaver]

Your point being....

referee signals do not influence play and none should be created that do. there are plenty of cues for players.

[OB..]

Consider this, perhaps the ref should put the ball in the scrum also. You know to make sure it is straight.

France v Wales February 17 1920
"Both sides made most of the last five minutes' play, otherwise the Welsh and French half- backs could hardly be excused for putting the ball into the scrum so keenly during that period. Eventually, the referee, who had been moderate and, at the same time, stern, in his decisions, had, on one occasion, to put the ball in himself."

(Times report)

[Balones]

Actually, that is all signals are to be used. And with the exception of advantage, signals occur after a whistle to explain a decision.

Any other clues, or physical hints have influence on play. Refs should not have influence on a players decision at the risk of an unequal application to either side (intentionally or especially unintentionally)

I accept the legal point you are making. However, I was not making a point strictly in relation to laws and the law book. Signals have arisen because of a need to make the game more palatable to watch and play. If we didn’t use them then there would be far more penalty offences because players couldn’t see what the referee was seeing, players not understanding the laws as well as the referee does (hopefully!) etc. There is also the matter of deaf players who wouldn’t hear the referee and also in certain environments players not hearing the referee because of crowd noise. They also communicate to the crowd which makes the game more enjoyable and understandable for them as well as keeping some pressure off the players and referee for the decisions they make. Or are you, by your inference, suggesting that the referee shouldn’t use verbal communication either prior to an offence? Using signals also protects the referee’s voice.

[crossref]

And with the exception of advantage, signals occur after a whistle to explain a decision.

good challenge !

signals I can think of that I use i use during play
- play on
- went backwards (i.e I saw it, but it wasn't a knock on)
- lineout over
- get back (ie to opposing backs, if fringing offside)

[Dickie E]

good challenge !

signals I can think of that I use i use during play
- play on
- went backwards (i.e I saw it, but it wasn't a knock on)
- lineout over
- get back (ie to opposing backs, if fringing offside)

but none of those are defined in the good book