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    Default Re: Bath Vs Wasps 8.1.21

    Wales in recent years (Gatland era) went through a phase of adding backs to their maul if they had a 5m attacking lineout. The backs invariably came in from 10m away when the LO had not moved off the LoT (MoT). I can't remember them or anyone else for that matter being penalised for it. I think it's one of those you keep doing it 'til you do.
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    Default Re: Bath Vs Wasps 8.1.21

    Quote Originally Posted by Balones View Post
    The problem is that the officials are very much focused on the formation and dynamics of the maul and encroachment tends to be a secondary aspect of the refereeing at that point. Most of the time it is immaterial- and then we have a penalty try, half-time talk and an inconsistency between halves.
    it strikes me that the pros could do this very easily - ref and nearside AR watch the maul. far side AR watches to keep both sides 10m back .
    of course the far side AR is not going to be able to see the maul clearly, being some distance away, and focusing on the backs as he is, .. so he is going to need a clear signal from the ref to show when the lineout is over....


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    Quote Originally Posted by ctrainor View Post
    I think the key thing here is, there is no official signal for when the line out is over.
    Convention to me was always arm straight up and comes down when the ref decides you have moved off the line of touch.
    That is clear to players, crowd and ARs however it is not a recognised official signal.
    I think it should be, then there would be no dispute.
    At top level ARs can clearly see and communicate to the ref that attack or defence have encroached.
    Problem solved .
    While I'm at it, there appears to be no official signal for the ref to indicate an attempt at a penalty goal has been selected.
    Always used to be two arms outstretched then move indicating towards the posts.
    Again clear to crowd/players/ARs . Everyone used to do it until St. Nigel invented the phrase "shot" and used his one finger shuffle to point .
    The two arm signal should become official.
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    Default Re: Bath Vs Wasps 8.1.21

    Well,

    There are signals. 3 of them. all in the lawbook.

    1. Ball is out of l/o

    2. Maul is driven past LOT

    3. Ball is thrown past 15 m

    Let the players think

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not Kurt Weaver View Post
    Well,

    There are signals. 3 of them. all in the lawbook.

    1. Ball is out of l/o

    2. Maul is driven past LOT

    3. Ball is thrown past 15 m

    Let the players think
    Can you send us a link to these signals, there is nothing in the latest world rugby laws download
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    Default Re: Bath Vs Wasps 8.1.21

    Quote Originally Posted by Not Kurt Weaver View Post
    Well,

    There are signals. 3 of them. all in the lawbook.

    1. Ball is out of l/o

    2. Maul is driven past LOT

    3. Ball is thrown past 15 m

    Let the players think
    Not here, or linked from ? https://laws.worldrugby.org/en/signals/secondary

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    Default Re: Bath Vs Wasps 8.1.21

    Quote Originally Posted by ctrainor View Post
    Can you send us a link to these signals, there is nothing in the latest world rugby laws download
    I'm wrong there are five signals

    ENDING A LINEOUT

    The lineout ends when:
    The ball or a player in possession of the ball:

    leaves the lineout
    ; or

    enters the area between the touchline and the five-metre line; or

    goes beyond the 15-metre line.




    A ruck or maul forms and all of the feet of all of the players in the ruck or maul move beyond the mark of touch.
    The ball becomes unplayable.

    Or perhaps we can continue to hold their hand and put the offside onus on the ref

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    Default Re: Bath Vs Wasps 8.1.21

    Quote Originally Posted by Not Kurt Weaver View Post
    Or perhaps we can continue to hold their hand and put the offside onus on the ref
    I take your point about players needing to make their own decisions but it is tricky knowing when the maul crosses the LoT from 10 metres back and it is sound preventive (preventative?) refereeing to assist
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    Default Re: Bath Vs Wasps 8.1.21

    At the risk of sounding like my 22 year old daughter....

    Sorry. ...but are we talking about Laws or signals????

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    Default Re: Bath Vs Wasps 8.1.21

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    I take your point about players needing to make their own decisions but it is tricky knowing when the maul crosses the LoT from 10 metres back and it is sound preventive (preventative?) refereeing to assist
    IMHO...refereeing should be all about 'assisting'!

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