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    Default Re: Bath Vs Wasps 8.1.21

    You just seems to want to be at odds with the world. If signalling to players etc is not a signal fair enough. The may not be "official" (rugby law) signals but they are most definately signals

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    Default Re: Bath Vs Wasps 8.1.21

    I think it is best to not see them as ‘signals’ but rather as ‘communication’. How a referee feels about what is the most effective means of communication for them is up to the individual. If players are not sure what the referee means by his communication then they can always ask for clarification. In my mind there are official signals and signals that are an aid to communication and referees must be able to have the flexibility to use what suits them in the particular circumstances they find themselves. I.e. At grassroots an arm out to the side doesn’t work if you are standing at the front of the lineout.

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    Default Re: Bath Vs Wasps 8.1.21

    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Wakeham View Post
    You just seems to want to be at odds with the world. If signalling to players etc is not a signal fair enough. The may not be "official" (rugby law) signals but they are most definately signals
    I think the early post or OP was a idea that a signal should be a standard to indicate end of L/O. I do not want to take thinking and understanding of law away from players and place the determining factor for players on the indication from a referee. Nor do I want to continue to add obligation to a referee.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Wakeham View Post
    You just seems to want to be at odds with the world.
    You are mostly correct. Just when the world is impractical, illogical, and irrational. So yes, I guess I am. Psychologically, I have a high likely of irritability probably from low serotonin levels associated with German ancestry. I understand it, but it affords me to examine unintended consequences of changes that occur, like a referee standardized signal to show end of lineout while there are plenty of indicators already available.

    sorry for long line of BS, the idea of individual referee indicators to show EOLO is divine, but to standardize it devoid.

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    Default Re: Bath Vs Wasps 8.1.21

    Andrew Brace going for the horizontal arms signal ..

    I am perfectly happy with some refs doing a signal, others not as per their preferences

    But for those who are signalling, FFS let's all use the same signal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balones View Post
    I think it is best to not see them as ‘signals’ but rather as ‘communication’. How a referee feels about what is the most effective means of communication for them is up to the individual. If players are not sure what the referee means by his communication then they can always ask for clarification. In my mind there are official signals and signals that are an aid to communication and referees must be able to have the flexibility to use what suits them in the particular circumstances they find themselves. I.e. At grassroots an arm out to the side doesn’t work if you are standing at the front of the lineout.
    A signal is a method of communication:

    SIGNAL Definition:
    a gesture, action, or sound that is used to convey information or instructions, typically by prearrangement between the parties concerned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Andrew Brace going for the horizontal arms signal ..

    I am perfectly happy with some refs doing a signal, others not as per their preferences


    But for those who are signalling, FFS let's all use the same signal

    Agreed.

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    Default Re: Bath Vs Wasps 8.1.21

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Andrew Brace going for the horizontal arms signal ..

    I am perfectly happy with some refs doing a signal, others not as per their preferences

    But for those who are signalling, FFS let's all use the same signal
    Which one are we going with then, 1 arm up or two arms out ‘holding’ them back?

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    Default Re: Bath Vs Wasps 8.1.21

    Wayne Barnes used arms out and pointed fingers mostly today. But then he was always in midfield. Where are you always going to stand at your level?
    Three of the penalty calls at lineouts came from his ARs because he was unsighted.
    Last edited by Balones; 07-02-21 at 18:02.

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    Default Re: Bath Vs Wasps 8.1.21

    Quote Originally Posted by Balones View Post
    Where are you always going to stand at your level?
    mostly at the front

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    Default Re: Bath Vs Wasps 8.1.21

    Front, in the 5m channel to start, mostly, so a single arm is probably, most effective

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    Default Re: Bath Vs Wasps 8.1.21

    Quote Originally Posted by Flish View Post
    Front, in the 5m channel to start, mostly, so a single arm is probably, most effective
    Just as long as you don't use the arm that blocks some of the view of the action!

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