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    Default Re: Jumping or Diving Clarification required

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    But May was clearly diving, not hurdling - and yet still his boot met the tackler's head (or was millimeters from it)

    So are we really to say that one is dangerous, and the other isn't?
    Hurdling is also over something in front of you. I think if you jump/dive into a scenario where the head is already there then you've made it potentially dangerous. May jumped into clear space.

    There's various wonder try clips on YouTube, a few similar to the May try, one indeed (Australian I think) ended with the jumper's foot landing on top of the would be tackler's head (who had come from side, as per May scenario). Nothing was said or done there either.

    I've been surprised by the attention this try/action has attracted. Had May jumped a tackler in front of him, I'd have a different view.

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    Default Re: Jumping or Diving Clarification required

    i think the key difference is
    - jumping / hurdling : you are expecting to land on your feet, so your feet will be below/in front of you
    - diving : you are expecting to land on your elbows, feet will be above and behind you

    Does that mean jumping more/less dangerous than diving ? Not sure
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    Default Re: Jumping or Diving Clarification required

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    i think the key difference is
    - jumping / hurdling : you are expecting to land on your feet, so your feet will be below you
    - diving : you are expecting to land on your elbows, feet will be above you

    Does that mean jumping more dangerous? Not sure
    So May didn't jump then ;-)

    What scenarios would you jump or hurdle with your definition that don't have a tackler in front? Avoiding an expected tap tackle, for example? That wouldn't strike me as being a dangerous jump.

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    Default Re: Jumping or Diving Clarification required

    Hi feet left the ground, the next contact was grounding the ball in the try area. I'm not sure what else to call it than diving to score.

    I agree that a successful tackle into touch wouldn't / shouldn't have been penalised.

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    Default Re: Jumping or Diving Clarification required

    I think a typical dive to score is a low trajectory .. avoiding a tackle by going low
    May was different , he dived over a tackler

    Don't ask me whether it was legal or not .. am so confused now I don't know !

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    Default Re: Jumping or Diving Clarification required

    You dive down.

    You jump up.

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    Default Re: Jumping or Diving Clarification required

    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Wakeham View Post
    You dive down.

    You jump up.
    Well your feet come up off the floor whichever way
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    Default Re: Jumping or Diving Clarification required

    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Wakeham View Post
    You dive down.

    You jump up.
    Which did Jonny May do ?

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    Default Re: Jumping or Diving Clarification required

    as far as I can make out this "you can't jump over a tackle" is in the same category as "you have to let him up". Unless there is some RFU edict that I'm missing. I've never seen anything from WR.

    Yes, dangerous play is illegal ... but each incident will be managed on its own merit.
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    Default Re: Jumping or Diving Clarification required

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    as far as I can make out this "you can't jump over a tackle" is in the same category as "you have to let him up". Unless there is some RFU edict that I'm missing. I've never seen anything from WR.

    Yes, dangerous play is illegal ... but each incident will be managed on its own merit.
    did you think May was dangerous -- or reckless?

    It didn't seem to me to be very dangerous .... and yet his boot did clip the Italian's head (or came very very close) so perhaps it was?

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