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    Default Re: Jumping or Diving Clarification required

    a jump is where you are endeavouring to land on your feet
    a dive for a try is when you are endeavouring to land on your forearms, with the ball touching the ground before you do .

    So May was diving.

    Jumps are inherently dangerous, so we PK them all.

    Dives are not , so normally going to be allowed :

    Caveat if for some reason a particular, specific dive is dangerous, then it's dangerous, ping it.

    Was May's specific dive two weeks go actually dangerous - well probably not.



    ** I am troubled by captain marvel's clear no arms tackling technique, which WB seems to miss completely.

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    Default Re: Jumping or Diving Clarification required

    I think I’m going to stick to my original thoughts, if it looks dangerous I’ll ping it. As WB confirmed there’s no basis in law for pinging a jump by default, it’s the danger that’s the trigger, so doesn’t really matter if it’s a jump, a dive, or somewhere in between

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    Default Re: Jumping or Diving Clarification required

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post

    Jumps are inherently dangerous, so we PK them all.
    when you say 'we', who do you mean and on what authority?
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Default Re: Jumping or Diving Clarification required

    Quote Originally Posted by Flish View Post
    I think I’m going to stick to my original thoughts, if it looks dangerous I’ll ping it. As WB confirmed there’s no basis in law for pinging a jump by default, it’s the danger that’s the trigger, so doesn’t really matter if it’s a jump, a dive, or somewhere in between
    agree
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    Default Re: Jumping or Diving Clarification required

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    when you say 'we', who do you mean and on what authority?
    well, here's one authority - the take from SA Referees :
    - first they offer definitions of diving and jumping
    - then they decide that May's was a jump
    - therefore they penalise it.

    https://www.sareferees.com/laws/view...medium=twitter

    Which is basically what NO and WB said
    Last edited by crossref; 07-03-21 at 12:03.

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    Default Re: Jumping or Diving Clarification required

    The difficulty with over defining this is that you may not like the results. Looking at the replay it seems to me that at no point do May's legs lead his head and arms (as defined in the article as a dive) and also at the highest point of the trajectory his body is horizontal to the ground (as defined in the article as a dive) albeit he is athwartship rather than the more traditional fore and aft. On balance I'd prefer to make the judgement on whether or not the action is dangerous and act accordingly.

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    Default Re: Jumping or Diving Clarification required

    Quote Originally Posted by Jz558 View Post
    The difficulty with over defining this is that you may not like the results. Looking at the replay it seems to me that at no point do May's legs lead his head and arms (as defined in the article as a dive) and also at the highest point of the trajectory his body is horizontal to the ground (as defined in the article as a dive) albeit he is athwartship rather than the more traditional fore and aft. On balance I'd prefer to make the judgement on whether or not the action is dangerous and act accordingly.
    I sort of agree - but the direction that WR are going in general is the reverse - decision trees / logic diagrams (as in high tackles, collisions in the air etc) .

    the SAREFs response, and WB and NO videos suggest to me there's a framework being established here. Jumping bad, diving likely OK

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    Default Re: Jumping or Diving Clarification required

    I have nothing against decision trees - but can we have them in the law book not in a secret folder in a filing cabinet marked beware of the leopard.
    As a backswood referee without team of three, let alone a replay they are possibly less useful but do clarify the train of thought.

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    agreed. So much is different in the community game.

    happily it works both ways : the players know that you are on your own and can't see absolutely everything and are more tolerant of didn't-see-it errors .

    (perhaps after a moment of reflection, at least )

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    Default Re: Jumping or Diving Clarification required

    Everyone seems to be fairly blase about the tackling a player off his feet law. Surely a clarification that tackling a player off his feet in an attempt to ground the ball (or whatever) would help? I imagine many referees would penalise the tackler if they took out a player in the air.

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