Wales vs Eng - Knock on and Time back on after asking captain to speak to players

[crossref]

"Barnsey? Nigel, here, WTF?"

[belladonna]

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I've watched it again and pulled 4 frames.

From top-left to bottom right...

1. LRZ gathers ball in trailing right hand
2. LRZ bring ball forward to meet left hand (and/or brings left hand back to meet ball)
3. LRZ loses grip on ball
4. Ball falls downwards (slightly backwards?) with respect to LRZ's motion (prior to hitting his back leg)

Where is the clear and obvious knock on?

And, can I please get non-ref of the year award, please and thank you

PS. In case you want to check my mileage, the video is here: https://youtu.be/zdtcPXLhUso

PPS. Note that frame 4 is after it hits his hip, so perhaps it could be argued that it went forward onto his hip. But whether it is clearly and obviously.. I think perhaps if they'd taken longer to look at it, maybe yes... but if it's this difficult to tell, is that clearly and obviously?

[crossref]

Well, I would say you don't judge knock on wrt to the player's motion. knock-on is judged with respect to the ground.

[Rich_NL]

Exactly that: LRZ is not a slowcoach, and he wasn't plodding at the time. Straight down relative to his motion is C&O forward.

[crossref]

Well, I would say you don't judge knock on wrt to the player's motion. knock-on is judged with respect to the ground.

this is another principle that needs to be spelled out better in the Laws

[belladonna]

Ah ok. But a forward pass is not?

[crossref]

that's the way I understand it - throw forward is relative to the player, knock on is judged relative to the ground

[thepercy]

PS: Am I the only one who consistently mis-spells possession posession!

No, but I was also leaving out the hyphen in 'Knock-On'. Seems like a lot of people, even Nigel Owens, do.

[Balones]

No, but I was also leaving out the hyphen in 'Knock-On'. Seems like a lot of people, even Nigel Owens, do.

Now this is the sort of discussion I like!
It should be knocks-on and not knock-ons. Or knockons. So how would you pluralise knock on?

[belladonna]

Now this is the sort of discussion I like!
It should be knocks-on and not knock-ons. Or knockons. So how would you pluralise knock on?

Yes!

And if a player who knocks on is a knocker-on, what is the plural?!?