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    Default Re: Wales vs Eng - Knock on and Time back on after asking captain to speak to players

    I like the NRL bunker system.

    Ref says "I think it's a try [or not]". Then over to bunker to confirm or deny.
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Default Re: Wales vs Eng - Knock on and Time back on after asking captain to speak to players

    Quote Originally Posted by DocY View Post
    Granted there may have been language issues on Saturday,
    Referee Frenchman Pascal Gauzère FRANCE

    ARS Andrew Brace & Frank Murphy Ireland

    TMO Alex Ruiz FRANCE

    Why would the Referee and the TMO have "language issues"?

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    Default Re: Wales vs Eng - Knock on and Time back on after asking captain to speak to players

    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Wakeham View Post
    Referee Frenchman Pascal Gauzère FRANCE

    ARS Andrew Brace & Frank Murphy Ireland

    TMO Alex Ruiz FRANCE

    Why would the Referee and the TMO have "language issues"?
    Well they were both speaking English.

    I don't know how good both their English is, but maybe they weren't as confident explaining what they were looking at as if they were speaking French. I'm just speculating. It might not have been an issue at all.

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    Default Re: Wales vs Eng - Knock on and Time back on after asking captain to speak to players

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnHM View Post
    [...]Player throws ball forward to kick it, in laws theoretically a knock but evidently not.

    I have often pointed this out as a flaw in the laws.

    [...]Throwing a ball forward over a defender and regaining it.
    A deliberate throw forward is just as much a PK offence as a deliberate knock on.
    He trudg’d along unknowing what he sought,
    And whistled as he went, for want of thought.
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    Default Re: Wales vs Eng - Knock on and Time back on after asking captain to speak to players

    In today's Times, Rob Debney agrees with Nigel Owens that the two tries in question should have been disallowed.
    He trudg’d along unknowing what he sought,
    And whistled as he went, for want of thought.
    The Referee by John Dryden

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    Default Re: Wales vs Eng - Knock on and Time back on after asking captain to speak to players

    And the ref has, according to Jutge admitted he was wrong. for both try 1 and try 2.

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    Default Re: Wales vs Eng - Knock on and Time back on after asking captain to speak to players

    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    In today's Times, Rob Debney agrees with Nigel Owens that the two tries in question should have been disallowed.

    So accepting that as the case and with a view to moving on...

    does this then mean the TMO concept is not working and may as well be scrapped?
    Does it mean the concept is fine but its implementation/use in some cases is very flawed?
    - and what to do about that wrt fixing it? Presumably in real time?

    FTR my view is the TMO stuff is valid - but when it breaks down how to "fix that" I dont know. With the acceptance of that "both tries were incorrectly awarded info above" Im not sure how it can be prevented from happening again. Short of somehow permitting an "after the event" scratching of the points - and Im not overly comfortable with that either.

    I guess it is what it is.

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    Default Re: Wales vs Eng - Knock on and Time back on after asking captain to speak to players

    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post

    I have often pointed this out as a flaw in the laws.
    It is not a "flaw in the laws". To kick the ball it has to be dropped therefore it is obvious that you must be able to drop the ball in order to kick (punt or drop kick) the ball. Therefore, since kicking is allowed, the dropping of the ball in that CONTEXT is clearly legal. It is tacetly implied if nothing else.

    Perpetuating this myth is just not helpful.

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    Default Re: Wales vs Eng - Knock on and Time back on after asking captain to speak to players

    The problem is that our law framers have gone for a short law book rather than a clear law book.
    I would prefer to see notes to the laws.
    One could clarify the intention if the ball goes from hand to leg.

    I think he never had the ball under control, therefore cannot have been intending to kick and the fact that it hit his leg is irrelevant - but I understand the laws are ambigous and could be interpretted as if it comes off the legg below the knee - it is a kick, so cannot be a knock on.

    It would also be the place to clarify that for a knock on the player's movement is not considered. However, for a throw forward it is.

    But once the TMO cannot see a knock on, the referee has to give the try.

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    Default Re: Wales vs Eng - Knock on and Time back on after asking captain to speak to players

    It appears Mr Gauzere admits he got both decisions wrong.

    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...ascal-19938253

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