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    Default Re: PK after the try - with a difference

    I think the penalty should be awarded in the fist half.
    I guess this is another that needs clarifying. as if there is a howling gale blowing straight down the pitch, it could have bearing on when the penalty is taken and how you would chose to take it.
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    Default Re: PK after the try - with a difference

    It's great question .

    I don't think the half is over until the conversion has been taken.

    So the foul play happened in the first half, so we restart immediately.

    If it was the second half we do restart.

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    Default Re: PK after the try - with a difference

    I've changed my mind - 5.7b "A half ends ... unless the referee awards a ... penalty." He has awarded a penalty, so the half continues after time has expired.
    Be reasonable - do it my way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chbg View Post
    I've changed my mind - 5.7b "A half ends ... unless the referee awards a ... penalty." He has awarded a penalty, so the half continues after time has expired.
    So in a case where the ball goes dead (ref has blown whistle, by definition), time has already expired, no advantage was being played, and so it's the end of the first half, but then we have the foul play and ref issues YC.

    Do you still restart and continue first half?

    How about if the foul play is not immediate after ball has gone dead? Say the foul play was between 2 opponents still on the pitch and rest are in the changing rooms already? Bring them all back on the pitch and restart?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Treadmore View Post
    Say the foul play was between 2 opponents still on the pitch and rest are in the changing rooms already? Bring them all back on the pitch and restart?
    No need to play silly buggers...keep the debate constructive!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Treadmore View Post
    So in a case where the ball goes dead (ref has blown whistle, by definition), time has already expired, no advantage was being played, and so it's the end of the first half, but then we have the foul play and ref issues YC.

    Do you still restart and continue first half?
    It's not the end until the referee determines it so...irrelevant whether the ball is dead and time is expired!

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    Default Re: PK after the try - with a difference

    Quote Originally Posted by Treadmore View Post
    So in a case where the ball goes dead (ref has blown whistle, by definition), time has already expired, no advantage was being played, and so it's the end of the first half, but then we have the foul play and ref issues YC.

    Do you still restart and continue first half?

    How about if the foul play is not immediate after ball has gone dead? Say the foul play was between 2 opponents still on the pitch and rest are in the changing rooms already? Bring them all back on the pitch and restart?
    There is a difference between time being up and the end of the half. Once the referee declares that the half is ended, it is, surprisingly, ended. Until then, play out the penalties (and FKs and the conversion).
    Be reasonable - do it my way.

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    Default Re: PK after the try - with a difference

    Quote Originally Posted by chbg View Post
    I've changed my mind - 5.7b "A half ends ... unless the referee awards a ... penalty." He has awarded a penalty, so the half continues after time has expired.
    If we accept that, because a penalty has been awarded, play in the first half should continue after the conversion - what would be the location of the penalty?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Decorily View Post
    No need to play silly buggers...keep the debate constructive!
    Unlike ... it was a reasonable question by Treadmore.
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Default Re: PK after the try - with a difference

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    Unlike ... it was a reasonable question by Treadmore.
    No disrespect intended to Treadmore.
    Apologies if taken as so.

    However it seems to me to be the equivalent to a fight breaking out in the bar after the game and asking should the referee bring players back on the pitch to deal with it! !

    Edit....I'm sure Treadmore can respond for himself/herself!

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