Clarification 1 "021

[Flish]

Agree, if the ball is dead, or effectively dead, and no quick tap then why not, just like I’d let them make subs, get everyone set, and restart when ready.

[thepercy]

Referee and CMO

Team Red have been awarded a penalty. A YC card has been off the field for 12 minute. (Due to continuation of play.) Assuming no quick penalty has been taken, team Red would like to bring on their YC. They want to:-
A.) Take a kick for touch. yes
B.) Take a shot at goal. yes
C.) Opt for a scrum. yes
D.) Tap and run with the ball. yes, but not quickly, if they go quickly then the YCed player waits for the next opportunity to come on, it's their prerogative

[thepercy]

(Note - I wouldn't actually know what they were going to do, unless they volunteered it, as I wouldn't ask)

Why wouldn't you ask them what they are planning on doing if its relevant?

[crossref]

Why wouldn't you ask them what they are planning on doing if its relevant?

well I wouldn't rule it out, but I can't think of any situations where it's relevant.

and there is a downside.

- perhaps he is watching the oppo and deliberately trying to keep his options open - or trying to to deceive the oppo as to what he is about to do ? Me asking him to announce what he is going to do isn't fair

- or what I ask him, he says touch, the oppo and I all then relax, and he sees that and kicks it across the field to the winger to score ... then I have made a problem for myself, the oppo might naturally feel I have somehow gotchad them,

TBH - I don't really see any situation where I need to ask?

[didds]

26. A Player who is a replacement shall not be entitled to take a kick at goal until a passage of play has taken place since that Player took to the field of play.

i think we have had some clarifications on this - if the 10 is taken out by an act of foul play (or Blood, or HIA) then his replacement IS allowed to come on and take the PK at goal.

is that sepcifically the 10, or any person that may have been the goal kicker ? and if it happens in the firsrt minute,, how does the ref at community level 2know" who the goal kicker is?

Im not being sracy here - genuinely interested.

[crossref]

is that sepcifically the 10, or any person that may have been the goal kicker ? and if it happens in the firsrt minute,, how does the ref at community level 2know" who the goal kicker is?

Im not being sracy here - genuinely interested.

I dunno, but I think I would use my common sense/instinct and would trust the captain. Especially if it is indeed the 10.

and anyway - if it was the first few minutes of the game how likely is it that their best kicker started on the bench ?


The converse is much more likely : the undisputed kicker is taken out, replacement wants to kick. Would anyone really refuse permission ?

[Balones]

I must admit I’d be reluctant unless I knew for certain it was permissible. Very critical decision. I don’t think a ref at my usual level would allow it unless he/she was certain. As things stand with my knowledge of the situation I can only refer to the regulations. That is a definitive that the ref can show any coach in writing.

[crossref]

I must admit I’d be reluctant unless I knew for certain it was permissible. Very critical decision. I don’t think a ref at my usual level would allow it unless he/she was certain. As things stand with my knowledge of the situation I can only refer to the regulations. That is a definitive that the ref can show any coach in writing.

Yes.
I feel sure there was some guidance on this, but I can't find it..so

[Balones]

Apart from perhaps one person from the southern hemisphere it looks as if we have a considerable amount of consensus and that referees would allow a YC to return at a penalty if the non-offending side want to make the return. I must admit I am slightly disappointed by the number of responses because it was a genuine question to try to gauge what degree of consistency we have.

Now can we look at a similar situation where we have the non-offending side wanting to make a replacement.
Team Red have been awarded a penalty and want to make a replacement. Assuming no quick penalty has been taken, team. They want to:-
A.) Take a kick for touch.
B.) Take a shot at goal. (Not by the replacement in RFU land because it is not allowed.)
C.) Opt for a scrum.
D.) Tap and run with the ball.

What would you do or expect the referee to do? Anything different to the YC return?

[crossref]

For me it's the same: I would let them make a replacement (and then , of course , so can blue)

again I wouldn't be asking them what they are going to do (can't see the point seeing as they are entitled to change their mind anyway) but I would warn them before they made the replacement, that the replacement can't kick for goal