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    During the game on Saturday I had maybe half a dozen resets for scrum wheeling through 90 degrees which is quite a lot.

    My perception was that both loose heads were stronger than both tight heads (hence the clockwise wheel) and nobody did anything illegal.

    Has anyone else any experience with this?
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    Yes.

    Very difficult to penalise anyone side if it's just spinning on it's axis.
    Look for tell tale signs like anyone turning in, or stepping out.
    If either team gets moving forward before it spins, reward them.

    Failing that I just tell the players, "guys I can reset all day long and we can stay on this piece of pitch until you're all exhausted; or you can control it yourselves and sort out the wheeling". Usually does the trick and they power back a bit.

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    Default Re: wheeling scrums

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E View Post
    If either team gets moving forward before it spins, reward them.
    not sure what you mean. Reward them how?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    not sure what you mean. Reward them how?
    If one team gets the scrum moving straight forward and it then spins I would penalise the other team. (so reward them with a penalty).
    If they get it moving forward they have no reason to spin it (other than a little bit to shield the 8).
    But in this case there would usually be signs like the other team stepping out or the flankers pulling sideways.



    I may not be explaining this well??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E View Post
    If one team gets the scrum moving straight forward and it then spins I would penalise the other team. (so reward them with a penalty).
    If they get it moving forward they have no reason to spin it (other than a little bit to shield the 8).
    But in this case there would usually be signs like the other team stepping out or the flankers pulling sideways.

    I may not be explaining this well??
    got it ... thanks
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    Default Re: wheeling scrums

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E View Post
    If one team gets the scrum moving straight forward and it then spins I would penalise the other team. (so reward them with a penalty).
    If they get it moving forward they have no reason to spin it (other than a little bit to shield the 8).
    But in this case there would usually be signs like the other team stepping out or the flankers pulling sideways.



    I may not be explaining this well??
    As well as the assessor I had in Staffs who suggested if the scrum was unsteady on "set" I should penalise the none putting in team. It must be something in the water - obviously not round Burton on Trent I hasten to add.
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    Default Re: wheeling scrums

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E View Post
    If one team gets the scrum moving straight forward and it then spins I would penalise the other team. (so reward them with a penalty).
    If they get it moving forward they have no reason to spin it (other than a little bit to shield the 8).
    Except to win a penalty of course if this is clear how its to be blown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    Except to win a penalty of course if this is clear how its to be blown.
    That would mean players are cheating and we know that would never happen

    To be clear Didds there is normally an indication such as the driving team going forward and the other team shearing off the side as they try to turn it. There are indicators as I have mentioned, I wouldn't blow as a guess, but the drive and turn triggers your perspective to change to what's causing it, makes you look at feet, angles, people pulling instead of pushing, etc.

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    Default Re: wheeling scrums

    yep. agree. But

    If they get it moving forward they have no reason to spin it (other than a little bit to shield the 8).
    i merely provided another reason to do so. Yes, reliant on not getting caught.

    But then

    If one team gets the scrum moving straight forward and it then spins I would penalise the other team. (so reward them with a penalty).
    So you are either going to reward the team going forward when it wheels with a PK - or you are actually going to see who has caused it to wheel instead of applying some blanket PK interpretation.

    :-)

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