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    Default Re: England v France - 24/4/2921

    For the PK it looks like the AR spotted it as you can see her left hand go to her radio button as the 9 runs towards her.

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    Default Re: England v France - 24/4/2921

    Watching it again, the ref clearly awards the penalty and the French play on. There is no kick, the nine picks up the ball now clear of the scrum and goes.

    Now in the professional men's game, she could have signalled advantage even though that is against the laws as written.

    The sanction for an incorrectly taken penalty is a scrum. But the French player did not bounce the ball off her knee, when they knew they had to kick it. There is as far as I am aware, no penalty for not stopping play. So, the equitable thing is to make them take it again.

    I am sure it was discussed in the post match debrief.

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    Default Re: England v France - 24/4/2921

    Quote Originally Posted by Camquin View Post

    The sanction for an incorrectly taken penalty is a scrum.
    Genuine question. Can you give me a law reference for that?
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    Default Re: England v France - 24/4/2921

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    Genuine question. Can you give me a law reference for that?
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    Default Re: England v France - 24/4/2921

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    Genuine question. Can you give me a law reference for that?
    20.2 - Kick taken from the wrong place - retake
    20.11- Incorrectly taken kick - scrum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jz558 View Post
    20.2 - Kick taken from the wrong place - retake
    20.11- Incorrectly taken kick - scrum.
    But it doesn't say who gets the put in, and it's not covered in the list of scrum infringements?
    I am guessing the none offending team but it's not clear.

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    Default Re: England v France - 24/4/2921

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E View Post
    But it doesn't say who gets the put in, and it's not covered in the list of scrum infringements?
    I am guessing the none offending team but it's not clear.
    I'd agree that it's not very well written but I cant imagine that that the put in would go to the side who incorrectly took the kick but stranger things have happened. The one that makes me laugh is the kick can be taken by any member of the non offending side - sanction scrum. I assume this is written to make it clear that the kit man cant run on and take it.

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    Default Re: England v France - 24/4/2921

    Interestingly 20.11 "Sanction: Scrum" is a CHANGE to the Law in 2021 - that sanction wasn't there in the 2020 Law book .


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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E View Post
    But it doesn't say who gets the put in, and it's not covered in the list of scrum infringements?
    I am guessing the none offending team but it's not clear.

    they added a new scrum sanction (it was previously take it again) but haven't added this in fully/properly
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    Default Re: England v France - 24/4/2921

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Interestingly 20.11 "Sanction: Scrum" is a CHANGE to the Law in 2021 - that sanction wasn't there in the 2020 Law book .
    wow. That's why I asked the question. We've just been given the 2020 law book (which I was looking at) and already it's out of date.

    I've had 2 instances already this season where ball hasn't left the player's hands and I've brought it back for a retake. The mouthy SH who said "isn't that our scrum, sir?" was right.

    I wonder what else varies from 2020 to 2021.
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    Default Re: England v France - 24/4/2921

    I’ve had a few cases over the years where players have believed they should get the scrum, but I always put that down to optimism / bias, and have always restarted with “take it properly please” - whatever advantage they thought they were getting will have gone by then anyway

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