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    Default 20.10 behind the kicker at a PK

    Law 20.10 is odd one

    20.10 Other than the placer at a place-kick, the kicker’s team must remain behind the ball until it has been kicked.


    .. because it outlaws most quick taps (where it's often the case that players are in front of the kick)


    The corresponding Law for a 22m dropout (12.18) simply makes it clear that that when a DO is taken quickly and players are in front, they are covered by offside laws (must retire, cannot interfere with play until put onside by team mate).. which is sensible.

    20.10 needs a similar bit of text covering quick taps

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    Default Re: 20.10 behind the kicker at a PK

    It only says that they must remain behind the ball. By construct they can only do that if they are behind it originally. So players that are not behind the ball when the PK/FK is awarded, and who do not ever get behind the ball, are subject to Open Play offside. Because the ball is dead before a restart kick can be taken, whilst it is not necessarily for a PK/FK.

    Be reasonable - do it my way.

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    Default Re: 20.10 behind the kicker at a PK

    Well, not really as players who are in front of a PK are actually required to get back behind (unless it's taken quickly).

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    Default Re: 20.10 behind the kicker at a PK

    Another example of a clear law being 'simplified' in the last re-write.
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    Default Re: 20.10 behind the kicker at a PK

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Well, not really as players who are in front of a PK are actually required to get back behind (unless it's taken quickly).
    They are required to "get back and remain" not "remain". The two are not the same.

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    Default Re: 20.10 behind the kicker at a PK

    lots of oddities. This one from Law 3:

    A team may make an objection to the referee about the number of players in their opponents’ team. If a team has too many players, the referee orders the captain of that team to reduce the number appropriately. The score at the time of the objection remains unaltered. Sanction: Penalty.


    is it reasonable to infer that the bit in bold only happens if an objection is made? The underlined word would suggest so.
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Default Re: 20.10 behind the kicker at a PK

    If you spot it, you can penalise them under under 3.7.
    If a player re-joins or a replacement joins the match without the referee’s permission and the referee believes the player did so to gain an advantage, the player is guilty of misconduct. Sanction: Penalty.

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    Default Re: 20.10 behind the kicker at a PK

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    lots of oddities. This one from Law 3:

    A team may make an objection to the referee about the number of players in their opponents’ team. If a team has too many players, the referee orders the captain of that team to reduce the number appropriately. The score at the time of the objection remains unaltered. Sanction: Penalty.


    is it reasonable to infer that the bit in bold only happens if an objection is made? The underlined word would suggest so.
    Too tight a reading I think.

    My interpretation is that this tells the referee what they must do upon the objection. It doesn't specify that this is the only mechanism by which player numbers will drop.
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    Default Re: 20.10 behind the kicker at a PK

    Quote Originally Posted by SimonSmith View Post
    Too tight a reading I think.

    My interpretation is that this tells the referee what they must do upon the objection. It doesn't specify that this is the only mechanism by which player numbers will drop.
    but why even mention an objection?

    Surely, this would suffice:

    If the referee becomes aware that a team has too many players, the referee orders the captain of that team to reduce the number appropriately. The score at the time remains unaltered. Sanction: Penalty.
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Default Re: 20.10 behind the kicker at a PK

    ^^^ This. Its so obvious as to make on think "WTF" otherwise?

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