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    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    presumabkly just becasue Luke Pearce does it doesnt mean its right ?
    i think we all agree it's not right.
    so why does it happen ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    i think we all agree it's not right.
    so why does it happen ?
    I refer the honourable gentlemean to the suggestiion i made a few hours ago...

    (which IMO doesnt make it right)

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    i think we all agree it's not right.
    so why does it happen ?
    Sometimes it's right, sometimes it isn't.

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    Tullamore Dew, the Afghan Wigs, and many, many strippers - how to get over your ex. How true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    i think we all agree it's not right.
    so why does it happen ?
    Well you made the absurd claim:

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    but I am in a minority when I say that the Law that requires the ref to run off could be reconsidered.
    YOU claim it happens because the law demands it.

    Which is not right at all (So why did that happen).

    I (and others) claim that it happens due to a moment of poor management.


    To get back the the point. It is not good management to leave a a potential flashpoint. WR probably expects referees to use common sense when interpreting the rules. Clearly you do not have to "run away" from the scene. You can deal with the immediate issue and then go under the posts.

    You'd have to ask Luke P why he "ran away"(as you put it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post

    but I am in a minority when I say that the Law that requires the ref to run off could be reconsidered.

    Where does the law book state the referee must "run off" to award the PT rather than deal with "afters" / card etc and then move calmly to under the posts to award the PT?
    Last edited by Marc Wakeham; 20-05-21 at 08:05.

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    shrug, part of good management is to make it clear that a try is being awarded (calms down the non-offending team), and the law is unhelpful here as this has to be done under the posts.

    current law

    Penalty try

    8.3 A penalty try is awarded between the goal posts if foul play by the opposing team prevents a probable try from being scored, or scored in a more advantageous position.


    propsoal


    Penalty try

    8.3 A penalty try is awarded if foul play by the opposing team prevents a probable try from being scored, or scored in a more advantageous position.


    simpler, more flexible, removes a constraint on the referee.

    the whole 'under the posts' idea came because a conversion was going to follow, so the PT had to have a 'location' for the kick which is no longer the case
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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    shrug, part of good management is to make it clear that a try is being awarded (calms down the non-offending team), and the law is unhelpful here as this has to be done under the posts.

    current law

    Penalty try

    8.3 A penalty try is awarded between the goal posts if foul play by the opposing team prevents a probable try from being scored, or scored in a more advantageous position.


    propsoal


    Penalty try

    8.3 A penalty try is awarded if foul play by the opposing team prevents a probable try from being scored, or scored in a more advantageous position.


    simpler, more flexible, removes a constraint on the referee.

    the whole 'under the posts' idea came because a conversion was going to follow, so the PT had to have a 'location' for the kick which is no longer the case
    A solution in search of a problem?
    He trudg’d along unknowing what he sought,
    And whistled as he went, for want of thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    shrug, part of good management is to make it clear that a try is being awarded (calms down the non-offending team), and the law is unhelpful here as this has to be done under the posts.

    current law

    Penalty try

    8.3 A penalty try is awarded between the goal posts if foul play by the opposing team prevents a probable try from being scored, or scored in a more advantageous position.


    propsoal


    Penalty try

    8.3 A penalty try is awarded if foul play by the opposing team prevents a probable try from being scored, or scored in a more advantageous position.


    simpler, more flexible, removes a constraint on the referee.

    the whole 'under the posts' idea came because a conversion was going to follow, so the PT had to have a 'location' for the kick which is no longer the case
    Well done in totally avoiding answering the actual question. You are not an MP by any chance are you?

    To remind you.

    YOU insisted, as the quote shows, that the referee had to run from the "flashpoint" immediately. The law however, does not agree with you. All the law says is that the "Award" under the posts. No time scale is refered to., either tacitly or by actual wording. You seem unable / willing to admit that claim was not true. I wonder why?

    As OB state you are trying to create "A solution in search of a problem".

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    Default Re: Penalty Try

    to be fair, the OP saw a (potentially) safety-related oddity on a televised game and wondered if there was a better way - especially since no conversion now required. We should always be open to new ideas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    to be fair, the OP saw a (potentially) safety-related oddity on a televised game and wondered if there was a better way - especially since no conversion now required. We should always be open to new ideas.
    Perfectly put Dickie

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