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    Twitter user Steve Pierce said it for me

    "Great tackle no head contact arms wrapped ... nothing to see here move along"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_Cook View Post
    Twitter user Steve Pierce said it for me

    "Great tackle no head contact arms wrapped ... nothing to see here move along"
    Whether thetackle was high or reckless is a matter for the referee to decide and not whatI’m interested in. I’m interested in how he applied the process because ifprofessional referees are confused then what about the rest of us?

    He and the TMOagreed, reasonably early on in the process, that there was a clear wrap, and nofoul place took place. That being the case why would he continue to check forhead contact? No foul play means play on under the process even if there ishead contact so what would he have done with that information?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jz558 View Post
    Whether thetackle was high or reckless is a matter for the referee to decide and not whatI’m interested in. I’m interested in how he applied the process because ifprofessional referees are confused then what about the rest of us?

    He and the TMOagreed, reasonably early on in the process, that there was a clear wrap, and nofoul place took place. That being the case why would he continue to check forhead contact? No foul play means play on under the process even if there ishead contact so what would he have done with that information?
    The process is the other way around (or is this where they went wrong?) First question is ‘Has there been head contact’ and then it’s on to foul play? It doesn’t matter in the sense that with the same answers you get to the same place, nut I think it’s important in terms of though process

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flish View Post
    The process is the other way around (or is this where they went wrong?) First question is ‘Has there been head contact’ and then it’s on to foul play? It doesn’t matter in the sense that with the same answers you get to the same place, nut I think it’s important in terms of though process
    I did wonder that but ultimately I dont think it matters which way round you ask the questions. Either way if there is no foul play its play on so why spend time holding up the game? As I said previously my feeling is that if there had been a clash of heads he would have penalised the tackle and issued a card otherwise you're left with a ball carrier with a head injury from a tackle that some, but by no means all, would say was marginal and a rebrief from Nigel on his You Tube channel whilst feeding the cows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    what is Question 1 in the process? If it is "was there head contact?" then the 'no' answer means you never go to Question 2.
    If you could see there was no head contact at full speed in a live situation with no other input from AR's or TMO then you are a better man than me? Would depend a lot on the angle you see it at as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E View Post
    If you could see there was no head contact at full speed in a live situation with no other input from AR's or TMO then you are a better man than me? Would depend a lot on the angle you see it at as well.
    sure and that is why we apply the "clear & obvious" principle.
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    Default Re: Another stand-up tackle

    Quote Originally Posted by Jz558 View Post
    Whether thetackle was high or reckless is a matter for the referee to decide and not whatI’m interested in. I’m interested in how he applied the process because ifprofessional referees are confused then what about the rest of us?

    He and the TMOagreed, reasonably early on in the process, that there was a clear wrap, and nofoul place took place. That being the case why would he continue to check forhead contact? No foul play means play on under the process even if there ishead contact so what would he have done with that information?
    HIA ?

    I'm not sure what is in the elite referee protocols these days, but is it in the referee's purview to send a player for an HIA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_Cook View Post
    HIA ?

    I'm not sure what is in the elite referee protocols these days, but is it in the referee's purview to send a player for an HIA?
    In stage 1, players who sustain head impact events with the potential for a concussion are identified by match officials, team doctors (TD), or independent match-day doctors (MDD). The identification is either by direct observation or on video review.


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    Default Re: Another stand-up tackle

    Quote Originally Posted by Jz558 View Post
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    He and the TMOagreed, reasonably early on in the process, that there was a clear wrap, and nofoul place took place.
    what they were doing was verbalising what they saw as each camera angle was made available ie "I can see no foul play from that angle, may I see the next angle please?"

    And a "clear wrap" is only relevant to 1. confirm there was no shoulder charge or 2. present mitigation to the head contact (if any)
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    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    Extract from World Rugby Protocol [/FONT][/COLOR]https://www.world.rugby/news/612891

    It would seem they do.
    Thanks Phil
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