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    Default Re: Lifting Tackle

    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    The coach was an experienced referee.
    So he/she should know better than to shout at the referee from the side-lines

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    I once reffed a game where a team has all been coached to take a roll or two forwards after being tackled. It happened almost every single tackle (until I stopped them obviously)
    It's quite hard explaining to kids that the tactic they have been practicing for ages is suddenly (from their perspective) illegal

    At the same time as the coach is loudly disagreeing from the sidelines

    (The kids were great they quickly understood what I wanted , grumbled a little, but importantly they changed behaviour)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    The coach was an experienced referee.
    Jeezus.
    Pharquing.
    Kreyezt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    I once reffed a game where a team has all been coached to take a roll or two forwards after being tackled. It happened almost every single tackle (until I stopped them obviously)
    It's quite hard explaining to kids that the tactic they have been practicing for ages is suddenly (from their perspective) illegal

    At the same time as the coach is loudly disagreeing from the sidelines

    (The kids were great they quickly understood what I wanted , grumbled a little, but importantly they changed behaviour)

    I despair.

    Monkey see, monkey do.

    The elites do it, and it gets generally permitted (though they do get pinged for it when its egregious ) ... so monkey coach sees it and coaches it to his players. With no appreciation/understanding/knowledge of what arrangements and agreements may underline that action/tactic at that elite level.

    Meanwhile monkey grass roots ref sees it and thinks "oo - they allow it so I should to be like them". With no appreciation/understanding/knowledge of what arrangements and agreements may underline that action/tactic at that elite level.

    And so the more sensible of referees see it but realise they have no arrangements and agreements for that action/tactic, so correctly ping it.

    result the monkies make it a painful process for those involved whena sensible grass roots ref blows the whistle.

    winner.

    didds

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    Default Re: Lifting Tackle

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    I once reffed a game where a team has all been coached to take a roll or two forwards after being tackled. It happened almost every single tackle (until I stopped them obviously)
    It's quite hard explaining to kids that the tactic they have been practicing for ages is suddenly (from their perspective) illegal

    At the same time as the coach is loudly disagreeing from the sidelines

    (The kids were great they quickly understood what I wanted , grumbled a little, but importantly they changed behaviour)
    It happens to me about once a month ... especially after a longer period of coaching unopposed rugby. The issue is usually one of materiality (as always); if no opposition near, they'll probably get away with a 270 roll. If opposition ready to jackle, then BC must comply with 14.7. Coaches forget the opposition; players tend to understand that there are two sides challenging for the ball, regularly changing roles.
    Be reasonable - do it my way.

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    Default Re: Lifting Tackle

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E View Post
    So he/she should know better than to shout at the referee from the side-lines
    Usually the worst type of spectator!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E View Post
    So he/she should know better than to shout at the referee from the side-lines
    He said: "It's not illegal!" once only, loud enough so the players could all hear it. Fortunately the players listened to me, and not him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    Jeezus.
    Pharquing.
    Kreyezt.

    didds
    He was a referee of adults, grade level. Perhaps his error was in thinking that he could get away with teaching stuff adults understand easily, to kids with limited frontal lobe capability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    He said: "It's not illegal!" once only, loud enough so the players could all hear it. Fortunately the players listened to me, and not him.
    there's another fundamental mistake gong on here (from the coach).

    Rugby is a complex games and -- like it or not -- referees have different approaches, different opinions, different understanding and (sadly) different knowledge about the Laws.

    (this is not just at elite level, but also at grassroots level )

    Good coaching is to teach teams to understand and accept different refs, and work around it, adjusting quickly to what a referee wants. that's very important in winning hard games.

    Coaches yell that the ref is rubbish, quickly cause their kids to lose heart, to believe the ref is against them and the game is unwinnable. Which is self-fulfilling, they don't win it.

    setting foot on a rugby pitch and moaning about the ref is like sailing on the ocean and moaning about the weather.

    adapt...

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