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    Quote Originally Posted by Arabcheif View Post
    I agree, but one of the other commenters said that doing that is making up Laws. So I was just playing devils advocate. I don't think you are making up any Laws and there's any Gotcha reffing. It seems to be good management to me.
    I think the difference is I'm assuming 5 man because that's what they've told me, whereas you were assuming a full line based on ? so there's a gotcha there.

    If they don't tell me their default setup (or don't have one), then I don't assume anything and I will ask each time given the opportunity

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    This subject causes so much discussion.
    Whereas actually on the pitch I find both teams make the opponents aware , and opponents quickly match and all is good .. and nothing at all is required of me

    Happy days

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    I have certainly come across the occasional team that will tell the ref "If we say 6 in that really means 5". A sensible ref could reply "I advise you not to lie to everyone in order to obtain a penalty.".
    He trudg’d along unknowing what he sought,
    And whistled as he went, for want of thought.
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    secondary question...

    blue throw.

    No numbers called etc.

    Blue put two in + receiver and throw immediately.

    red put 7 in plus hooker in the channel and a receiver.

    Red however catch the ball and score.

    Seems reasonable that blue took the risk and suffered for their cock up.

    But...

    red had no time to match numbers, but gained.

    nobody is right, and nobody is wrong here. Its also easy to say manage it... but this admittedly chopperesque scenario will happen one day, somewhere, somewhen... becasue whatever as ref one decides, one side will feel aggrieved.

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    Blue are in control of this scenario --- the only reason I can think of that they would proceed to throw in, would be to win a FK (which seems rather unlikely as a FK is pretty rubbish).

    but if they are trying to win a FK then they know from the laws that the ref won't give them one if they throw quickly


    So it sounds like a complete cock up ? One option is to blow the whistle the moment they throw 'hang on this is chaos! let's get a proper lineout set, guys'

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    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    secondary question...

    blue throw.

    No numbers called etc.

    Blue put two in + receiver and throw immediately.

    red put 7 in plus hooker in the channel and a receiver.

    Red however catch the ball and score.

    Seems reasonable that blue took the risk and suffered for their cock up.
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    Blue threw immediately, Red did nothing (in law), play on. You makes your bed you lie in. Up there with the scrum half who tries to go quick when defenders aren't back 10 (but not interfering) and knocks on in his haste. You don't get a do-over

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    But they've had the opportunity to tell me any default numbers. Unless you tell me otherwise, we'll default to full man LOs - Ref we actually do 5 man LOs as default - Fine with me then that's what I'll assume going forward. No Gotchas at all. If they don't take the opportunity to tell me, that's not gotcha. Gotcha would be just assuming full LO but not telling them that's what I'm assuming, thus not giving them the chance to communicate that to me.

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    in real life - when was the liast time any gave a FK for numbers?

    I can't honestly remember, it must have been ages

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arabcheif View Post
    What Laws am I making up. Am I meant to guess how many they are supposed to have in the LO, or do I go with what IS in the Laws and with the max numbers?
    I think you're meant to do the counting.

    What does "max numbers" mean to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flish View Post
    Blue threw immediately, Red did nothing (in law), play on. You makes your bed you lie in. Up there with the scrum half who tries to go quick when defenders aren't back 10 (but not interfering) and knocks on in his haste. You don't get a do-over
    Fully agree.
    Be reasonable - do it my way.

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