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    I ask at the first line out to clearly state numbers so the opposition can match if anything but a full line out. I don’t see any benefit in it being a secret and trying to catch a team out (not at club level). If I don’t hear it I don’t penalise a side for mismatching. If I do hear it I ensure numbers are matched. I haven’t penaliseda side in years and haven’t had a single query on it either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawsons View Post
    I ask at the first line out to clearly state numbers so the opposition can match if anything but a full line out. I don’t see any benefit in it being a secret and trying to catch a team out (not at club level). If I don’t hear it I don’t penalise a side for mismatching. If I do hear it I ensure numbers are matched. I haven’t penaliseda side in years and haven’t had a single query on it either.
    this is a convention that, I think, is peculiar to England. I quite like it. However, not applying law because a team failed to answer your question is ... unusual
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    WR changed the wording of the law on this, way back in 2018.

    It used to be worded in line with the traditonal English way of managing things -- opponents must given reasonable time

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    19.8(c) The opposing team may have fewer lineout players but they must not have more.
    19.8(e) If the team throwing in the ball put fewer than the usual number of players in the lineout , their opponents must be given a reasonable time to move enough players out of the lineout to satisfy this Law.
    Sanction: Free Kick on the 15-metre line
    it's now worded in line with the rest of the world -- nothing at all about giving any time/warning... (i assume the objective was to speed things up a bit)

    18.14 Unless the throw is taken as soon as the lineout is formed, the non-throwing team may not have more players (but may have fewer players) in the lineout than the throwing team. Sanction: Free-kick.


    After the change, I adapted the way I ref this, but in general i reckon very little impact was made .
    I suspect many refs in England still have the old wording in their minds somehow.
    Last edited by crossref; 07-09-21 at 08:09.

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    I remember reffing a team who had a lineout call where they'd call "all in" whereby 6 players formed the lineout. In the spirit of the game?
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    I remember reffing a team who had a lineout call where they'd call "all in" whereby 6 players formed the lineout. In the spirit of the game?
    Deliberate or not, I think I might choose not to notice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    I remember reffing a team who had a lineout call where they'd call "all in" whereby 6 players formed the lineout. In the spirit of the game?
    There's no point confusing the opposition if you are also confusing the ref

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    I remember reffing a team who had a lineout call where they'd call "all in" whereby 6 players formed the lineout. In the spirit of the game?
    TBH, in my head it isn't a 'spirit of the game' question.
    If that happened live, I wouldn't count for 7, in the same way that of they call "5" I don't check the throwing team. I just count the defensive side to see how they match up to the called number.
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    We often hear the call numbers down here from the team in possession when the non-throwing team have less than the throwing team. Never have I ever listened to a captain/thrower whine about numbers as they are almost always wrong down here.

    My bigger concern is the planned and deliberate overthrow to the backs who have shot up and get a huge (and in my opinion unfair) advantage from doing so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrod Burton View Post

    My bigger concern is the planned and deliberate overthrow to the backs who have shot up and get a huge (and in my opinion unfair) advantage from doing so.
    That's legal though

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    That's legal though
    Indeed

    Once the ball has been thrown in by a team-mate, players who are not participating in the lineout may move forward. If that occurs, then their opponents may also move forward. If the ball does not go beyond the 15-metre line, the players will not be liable to sanction if they immediately retire to their respective offside lines.
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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