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    It is a real bugbear of mine. The ball goes out for the first lineout of the game and the defending side immediately start shouting for numbers. If/when it happens, I stop the game and explain to both sides that the throwing side is under no obligation to declare numbers but may do so and the defending side need to count in. I then say I will give both sides time to adjust. Generally sorts it out early on and gets rid of a tactic I suspect is actually used as a disruption technique.

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    Default Re: Asking for Numbers

    Quote Originally Posted by Jz558 View Post
    ... I will give both sides time to adjust.
    how do you do that?
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    how do you do that?
    Apologies I didnt write that very clearly. I meant I would allow the non-throwing side to adjust to the correct numbers and it would apply to both sides throughout the game.

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    the way the Law is currently worded just encourages all this silliness, it enables to the throwing side to create a little confusion about numbers that the non-throwing side don't really have time to adjust to. Irritating one team for no real benefit of the other.. and then reverse roles.


    OK fun and games, and same for both sides, so just live with it --- but I don't think it helps to create a free flowing fun game of rugby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jz558 View Post
    Apologies I didnt write that very clearly. I meant I would allow the non-throwing side to adjust to the correct numbers and it would apply to both sides throughout the game.
    but how - if the throwing team proceed to throw the ball in .... you blow the whistle? because the Law doesn't really support that, merely saying that the no-throwing team would then not be penalisd.

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    It's very easy to manage on the very few occasions it happens and it's really not difficult to ask the non-throwing side to drop a player. Any delay is shorter than blowing for a free-kick and subsequent restart. If the throw is taken as soon as the lineout is formed let it go under 18.14.

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    Default Re: Asking for Numbers

    here's how most of my lineouts go.

    Non-throwing team (Red) line up with 7 players.

    Throwing team (Blue) dawdle in with maybe 5 lineout players and a receiver and maybe 6 lineout players and no receiver. Hooker is ready to throw.

    As is my nature, I will try to help a team avoid infringing, so will tell Red to check numbers. Note that at this point I have no idea when the hooker is going to throw in.

    Red see that they are overmanned and start trying to figure out who to drop.

    As they do so, Blue throw ball in and I call "no numbers".

    Blue players & spectators commence the usual "ref, numbers!" chant.

    Hearing my call, Red players rejoin lineout/maul or hover around the 5 metre area.

    What a schmozzle!

    Is this the only rugby event where an offence is either committed or not committed based on how quickly a team can respond to the actions of the other team?
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Default Re: Asking for Numbers

    Normally at 1st lineout I get teams to say what normal lineout numbers are. Only need to let opposition know if they are going to change it. I then expect non throwing in team to put in what normal numbers are and penalise if they don't.(ie if team sets regular lineout with 6 and opposition put in 7 at a future lineout they are liable as they know it should be 6), if throwing in team change it I will give opposition time to adjust if they were informed or no numbers if they weren't

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    Default Re: Asking for Numbers

    presumably if the ref calls "no numbers" before the throw occurs, the non-throwing team could chuck another 2 or 3 players out of their backline into the lineout
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Default Re: Asking for Numbers

    I find that

    - in most games the two teams cooperate more or less effectively to match lineout numbers, and the time taken to form up and throw in is steady and manageable. In this case everything is fine

    - in some games one or both teams play silly b**rs and cause difficulty and tensions. when this happens the Laws are not hwelpful to the ref who has to manage it.

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