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    At a line out I ask the throwing captain (or pack leader) for numbers in the line (primarily as I need to know this) and pass this information on to the non throwing team, I believe this is the normal practice, certainly in RFU land, is this the same elsewhere?

    I ask as I was listening to Luke Pearce today in Falcons vs Worcester and he basically refused to do this, not in a negative way, but was encouraging the two teams to talk to each other, that he would give each team time to change, telling them to assume full and drop as needed. His line was that he didn’t need to get involved and they hear enough of his voice anyway!

    Which got me thinking, do we need to ‘ask’ numbers, is the onus really only to ensure minimum and maximum numbers are correct, sanction accordingly, and allow the non throwing team enough time to setup?

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    Over here, we do not ask numbers nor do the throwing team offer this information. In fact, some teams have been known to call "all in" then put 5 or 6 in as a ploy to win a FK.

    Generally, our only tool is to call "no numbers" if the throwing team doesn't give the opposition time to match numbers.

    Up until a few years ago there was a law that required the throwing team to allow time for the opposition to match. That law, unfortunately, is now gone.

    It is frequently a mess with players scrambling in or out but that's rugby.
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    It’s a crappy FK, and usually non-material.

    I ask for numbers as we form, and tell the non throwing team, and give them time to adjust. If they STILL get it wrong, they’re getting done for being stupid/not being able to count.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonSmith View Post
    I ask for numbers as we form,
    is that standard practice in AS? What is the sanction if they decline to give you an answer or if their answer is untrue?
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonSmith View Post

    I ask for numbers as we form, and tell the non throwing team, and give them time to adjust. If they STILL get it wrong, they’re getting done for being stupid/not being able to count.
    Yup, happens, had one Friday night, 5 called, 6 in - claimed he was the receiver, at the end of the line

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    On contrast with LP, During Bristol v Leicester I noticed Ian Tempest frequently asking for numbers.
    I think different refs do it different ways.

    I leave them to it UNLESS it is causing a problem , and then would get involved

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    is that standard practice in AS? What is the sanction if they decline to give you an answer or if their answer is untrue?
    I don't know if it is or not - there's a lot that's non standard here, including unlimited interchanges.

    I've never had that come up, to be honest. I think the smarter forwards see it as zero sum - if they mess about, the opposition will, and then we all have to start counting and that's no good, so why not comply?
    I suspect that if it did come up, I'd simply say "wrong number, no free kick" and sell it. 80% of the players also play mongoball, so they have no idea anyway...
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    It used to be the Law that the throwing in team were required to give their opponents time to match numbers

    They changed that to say, rather, that the opponents will not be penalised if they don't have time

    Unless the throw is taken as soon as the lineout is formed, the non-throwing team may not have more players (but may have fewer players) in the lineout than the throwing team. Sanction: Free-kick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    It used to be the Law that the throwing in team were required to give their opponents time to match numbers

    They changed that to say, rather, that the opponents will not be penalised if they don't have time

    Unless the throw is taken as soon as the lineout is formed, the non-throwing team may not have more players (but may have fewer players) in the lineout than the throwing team. Sanction: Free-kick.
    I preferred the old way. It meant I could actively manage the situation by blowing time off and allowing the non-throwing team to organise their numbers in a calm & orderly manner.

    Now its a free-for-all, with me calling "no numbers" and the non-throwing team desperately trying to get players out of the lineout to match in the back line.
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    indeed.

    WR need to work out whether it's important to have matched numbers or not.

    I actually think that defenders with too many in the lineout gives an advantage to the throwing team - space/numbers out wide. Never really sure why the non-throwing team are penalised!

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