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    So they are puzzling me - hard to understand the logic of them


    Play is restarted with a goal line drop-out when:

    A) The ball is played or taken into in-goal by an attacking player and is held up by an opponent.

    B) An attacking kick, other than a kick-off, restart kick following a score, drop goal or penalty attempt, is grounded by the defending team in their own in-goal.

    C) An attacking player knocks on in the opponents’ in-goal.


    A - was previously an attacking 5m scrum
    B - was previously a 22m DO
    C - was previously a defending 5m scrum

    So the new law is -

    A - definitely better for the defenders
    B - definitely better for the attackers
    C - i think better for the defenders (or is it ?)

    I am struggling to see the over-arching logic. Help me out ?
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    What the Lord giveth with one hand, He taketh away with the other.
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    Default Re: These goal line dropouts

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post

    I am struggling to see the over-arching logic. Help me out ?
    they see 5 metre scrums as a bit of a shit-fest and a slow way of restarting game. GL drop out overcomes that.
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    they see 5 metre scrums as a bit of a shit-fest and a slow way of restarting game. GL drop out overcomes that.
    But then why B where a goal line DO replaces a 22m DO ?
    And also why haven't they replaced all 5m scrums ? We will still have them

    This is what I mean, don't see their logic

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    Default Re: These goal line dropouts

    Of course, they could just referee scrums correctly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    So they are puzzling me - hard to understand the logic of them


    Play is restarted with a goal line drop-out when:

    A) The ball is played or taken into in-goal by an attacking player and is held up by an opponent.

    B) An attacking kick, other than a kick-off, restart kick following a score, drop goal or penalty attempt, is grounded by the defending team in their own in-goal.

    C) An attacking player knocks on in the opponents’ in-goal.


    A - was previously an attacking 5m scrum
    B - was previously a 22m DO
    C - was previously a defending 5m scrum

    So the new law is -

    A - definitely better for the defenders
    B - definitely better for the attackers
    C - i think better for the defenders (or is it ?)

    I am struggling to see the over-arching logic. Help me out ?
    The thing that links A, B & C is that they are all non-foul play stoppages that occur in goal but not over DBL/TiG. I guess that is the logic.

    The break to that logic is a knock-on in-goal by a defender (which I assume is still 5 metre attacking scrum)
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    they see 5 metre scrums as a bit of a shit-fest and a slow way of restarting game. GL drop out overcomes that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    The thing that links A, B & C is that they are all non-foul play stoppages that occur in goal but not over DBL/TiG. I guess that is the logic.

    The break to that logic is a knock-on in-goal by a defender (which I assume is still 5 metre attacking scrum)
    5m scrums will still happen when
    .. defenders knock on in goal (but not when attackers do)
    .. defenders carry ball back in goal and make it dead in any way

    Logic would suggest they would also be goal line drop outs

    And don't forget it's not just 5m scrums that are replaced by gldo , in B it replaces a 22mdo

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    Is this being adopted at age-grade rugby this season (despite reg 15 still saying a 22 drop out for situation B)? At u14s a goal line drop out will typically not even get past the 22 line... I can see a lot a tries being walked in off the back of this.

    The laws say the goal line drop out must not go directly into touch... if it does, the other team can choose a scrum or a line out... would that be 5 meters out from the goal line?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stu10 View Post
    Is this being adopted at age-grade rugby this season (despite reg 15 still saying a 22 drop out for situation B)? At u14s a goal line drop out will typically not even get past the 22 line... I can see a lot a tries being walked in off the back of this.

    The laws say the goal line drop out must not go directly into touch... if it does, the other team can choose a scrum or a line out... would that be 5 meters out from the goal line?
    1- Not below Under 15 Regulations in RFU. (So that's Under 16 age group until 31 Dec.)

    2.Yes - the 'sanction line' is the 5m. (For 22DO the sanction line is the 22.)
    Be reasonable - do it my way.

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