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    Default Re: That's done it for me. Goodbye rugby I'm out

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    if the player admits the charge, then I don't see how a panel can conclude 'no case to answer' who presented the case? why would the case be presented?

    Normally if a player admits a charge, the panel will go straight to considering the sanction and the best outcome for the player is sending-off-sufficient
    My experience is that if you go in and plead innocent then the judiciary are off side straight away. It's not a court of law. When I take guys up it's always something like "yes I may have contacted him high but ...." . We don't have video so we need to build some mitigation, doubt and remorse in. I'm generally pretty successful

    The one where the ref got censured was a special case involving threats of legal action, support from the other club and even the support of the union administrator
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    strikes me as a pretty flawed process.

    4 match officials say one thing and a judiciary dude overrules them and thrown them under the bus. I wonder if the ref now has right of appeal?

    Or maybe the TMO should be replaced by the judiciary dude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TigerCraig View Post
    or not
    well... he did. Aus played with only 14 men as a result. That sounds like a red card.

    Of course he hasnt any further ramifications from that issued red card.

    but it was still a red card in the game.

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    Just sayin' ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonSmith View Post
    I've seen all the angles, and for me it was orange, so I can't really fault To3.

    But someone needs to have a word with Koroibete. If he keeps RL tackling like that, there will be a real red in his future.


    This ^^.

    Noone can be surprised when they stick their shoulder/noggin so close to the runner's head as a general rule, that on occassion either they or the officials will not quite get it right.

    Especially when the whole world has been banging on about it for months and there is plenty of empirical evidence wrt head clashes and red cards.

    didds

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    Blue #8 braced for impact. I would not consider that as a "change of height" mitigating aspect
    Yes he lowered himself to brace for impact. Therefore he was lowering himself and didn’t really allow the tackler time to adjust.
    The only way round this is for tacklers to be coached to tackle around the waist or lower. Or to adopt the trial that was done a few years ago that regarded the nipples as a rough guide as to what a high tackle was. That should help to keep the head zone away from damage.

    Fundamentally we have the problem of both ball carriers and tacklers (naturally) leading with their heads when going into contact and this will always lead to high tackles or dangerous ones. Unless leaning forward is penalised I can’t see any way around the problems we are having.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TigerCraig View Post
    My experience is that if you go in and plead innocent then the judiciary are off side straight away. It's not a court of law. When I take guys up it's always something like "yes I may have contacted him high but ...." . We don't have video so we need to build some mitigation, doubt and remorse in. I'm generally pretty successful

    The one where the ref got censured was a special case involving threats of legal action, support from the other club and even the support of the union administrator
    I get this
    But when I have been to a tribunal (not often!) They start by asking if the player is guilty or not and insist on the answer beginning with No or Yes

    Then the process continues

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    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    well... he did. Aus played with only 14 men as a result. That sounds like a red card.

    Of course he hasnt any further ramifications from that issued red card.

    but it was still a red card in the game.

    </pedant>

    Just sayin' ;-)

    didds
    I was thinking more the "infringement has been committed" bit. The tribunal said there was no infringement :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by TigerCraig View Post
    I was thinking more the "infringement has been committed" bit. The tribunal said there was no infringement :-)
    Did they ? Or did they say it wasn't a RC

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    Default Re: That's done it for me. Goodbye rugby I'm out

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Did they ? Or did they say it wasn't a RC
    "Any contact with the chest and neck was incidental"

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    Default Re: That's done it for me. Goodbye rugby I'm out

    Quote Originally Posted by TigerCraig View Post
    "Any contact with the chest and neck was incidental"
    but it also says 'the act of foul play was secondary' which seems to suggest it was foul play (but not RC)

    tbh, though, I don't think we can analyse that statement too much - it doesn't make much sense. I'd like to see the full hearing/resultsd.

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