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    Default Re: Bledisloe 3 - the sacrifice of the...

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    and if that someone jumps at you high enough to kick you in the face.... well that's just a rugby rugby incident, play on.
    I think it is applied at rucks/tackle zone clear outs and for ball carriers that strike their opponents as well.

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    following the Koriobete expunge and now the Barrett expunge, I think WR, SANZAAR and the refs should go and have a sit down and work out WTF actually does & doesn't constitute a RC
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    following the Koriobete expunge and now the Barrett expunge, I think WR, SANZAAR and the refs should go and have a sit down and work out WTF actually does & doesn't constitute a RC
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    So have they advise that there is no offence? or that it wasn't a Red Card sanctionable offence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arabcheif View Post
    So have they advise that there is no offence? or that it wasn't a Red Card sanctionable offence?
    no offence. Accidental
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    Default Re: Bledisloe 3 - the sacrifice of the...

    I don’t know how many we have on this forum but what does your average New Zealand referee think of this decision? Every referee I have spoken to here, including a professional referee, was rather surprised by the outcome. Community referees are certainly asking where does this leave them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    no offence. Accidental
    So who made that decision? WR or SAANZAR? Does that mean all previous Red Cards for High Tackles, contact in the air when the player in the air lands on Head/neck and accidental head contact with a shoulder etc. should be rescinded because there was no intent? I really think that sets a dangerous precedent and supports the view of the ex players who are suing WR for head injuries sustained while playing. While I don't think he intended to kick it was definitely to discourage the incoming hit when he landed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    I'm not keen on that. I'm already carting a round a red card, a yellow card and a blue card ... 3's enough.

    More importantly, the 20 mins is designed to help prevent a game turning into a 1-sided affair, which is a good thing. Heinous foul play will appropriately be dealt with by the judiciary.
    Missed seeing this earlier

    Firstly, I would say that the blue card is completely unnecessary. Why not just signal with a tap on the side of the head like they do at elite level and in countries where they don't use the blue card.

    Secondly, Black card was just a suggestion. You could show both the yellow and the red together, or not card at all. If a player commits such an egregious, intentional act of Foul Play play such as a clear and obvious punch or eye-gouge or head stomp, just take the advice of English former international referee Fred Howard... "When you find yourself pointing to the sideline, you know its a sending off"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arabcheif View Post
    So have they advise that there is no offence? or that it wasn't a Red Card sanctionable offence?
    Short version...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    no offence. Accidental
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    In his finding, the judicial committee chair Robert Stelzner said it was clear Barrett's act was neither dangerous nor reckless.


    “He legitimately went up in the air to collect a high ball, when in trying to regain his balance on the downward trajectory, his boot inadvertently made contact with his opponent’s head,” said Stelzner via a Sanzaar release.


    “The accidental nature of the incident lead the judicial committee to find that there was no intentional nor reckless act of dangerous play, with the result that the red card is expunged from the player’s record.”



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    Default Re: Bledisloe 3 - the sacrifice of the...

    I havent really thought too much about the constitution and remit of disciplinary committees before but what powers do World Rugby have, if any, if they believe that the disciplinary committees of tournament organisers such as the 6 Nations or Sanzaar are not following World Rugby guidelines? In this instance, it seems that the committee ruled that no offence occurred because the actions were accidental. As a standpoint I dont have a problem with that but World Rugby have spent considerable time and money on issuing directives and flow charts over the past few year to try to make decision making more consistent and removing intent from the process. Following this review it would seem that most of this work is now obsolete and providing a player's actions are ruled accidental by the referee then play on.

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