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    Default Re: 2 incidents - Wallabies v Springboks 18/9/21

    Weise has been cited for the second incident

    https://www.theroar.com.au/rugby-uni...ocker-1152955/

    Still can't believe that the referee even needed encouragement to consider a card

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    Default Re: 2 incidents - Wallabies v Springboks 18/9/21

    Interestingly they're using 9:12

    A player must not physically or verbally abuse anyone. Physical abuse includes, but is not limited to, biting, punching, contact with the eye or eye area, striking with any part of the arm (including stiff-arm tackles), shoulder, head or knee(s), stamping, trampling, tripping or kicking.


    and not (as I would have expected) 9.20(a)

    A player must not charge into a ruck or maul. Charging includes any contact made without binding onto another player in the ruck or maul.
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    Default Re: 2 incidents - Wallabies v Springboks 18/9/21

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    I reckon with 90 seconds to go and the game not in doubt, Carley just wanted to get out of there with no controversy and get onto the XXXX.
    Christ. At least around here they give us Great Northern...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    Interestingly they're using 9:12

    A player must not physically or verbally abuse anyone. Physical abuse includes, but is not limited to, biting, punching, contact with the eye or eye area, striking with any part of the arm (including stiff-arm tackles), shoulder, head or knee(s), stamping, trampling, tripping or kicking.


    and not (as I would have expected) 9.20(a)

    A player must not charge into a ruck or maul. Charging includes any contact made without binding onto another player in the ruck or maul.
    I would say because it's easier to get a result with 9.12, no need to get into the specifics if it was still a ruck and if the action was actually charging.
    Striking with the should here is clear and obvious.

    I'm not one for refs being stood down etc but I'm beginning to see where fans are coming from when they call for consequences for bad refereeing decisions. It was as plain as day RC and the TMO had to stick to his guns to even get a PK. Carly has been derelict in his duty in not giving a RC for it and more so he was willing negligent by going outside WR Protocol and obviously trying to avoid giving a RC

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    Default Re: 2 incidents - Wallabies v Springboks 18/9/21

    Quote Originally Posted by UpandUnder View Post

    I'm not one for refs being stood down etc but I'm beginning to see where fans are coming from when they call for consequences for bad refereeing decisions. It was as plain as day RC and the TMO had to stick to his guns to even get a PK. Carly has been derelict in his duty in not giving a RC for it and more so he was willing negligent by going outside WR Protocol and obviously trying to avoid giving a RC
    which is interesting because he was quite ready to give Swinton a RC until the TMO talked him out of it
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    Default Re: 2 incidents - Wallabies v Springboks 18/9/21

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    Interestingly they're using 9:12

    A player must not physically or verbally abuse anyone. Physical abuse includes, but is not limited to, biting, punching, contact with the eye or eye area, striking with any part of the arm (including stiff-arm tackles), shoulder, head or knee(s), stamping, trampling, tripping or kicking.


    and not (as I would have expected) 9.20(a)

    A player must not charge into a ruck or maul. Charging includes any contact made without binding onto another player in the ruck or maul.
    Hmmm...

    Law 9.20(a) LE – 2 weeks, MR – 5 weeks, TE – 10+ weeks max 52 weeks

    but

    Law 9.12 LE – 12 weeks, MR – 18 weeks, TE 24+ weeks Max 208 weeks

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    Default Re: 2 incidents - Wallabies v Springboks 18/9/21

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    which is interesting because he was quite ready to give Swinton a RC until the TMO talked him out of it
    My take was TMO talking him up to a red card, then suddenly realizing that was a bit harsh and trying to walk him back from the ledge that he put him on.
    Pearce would have handled that differently.
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    Default Re: 2 incidents - Wallabies v Springboks 18/9/21

    Quote Originally Posted by SimonSmith View Post
    My take was TMO talking him up to a red card, then suddenly realizing that was a bit harsh and trying to walk him back from the ledge that he put him on.
    Pearce would have handled that differently.
    I got the impression that BC copped that Carley didn't want to go RC and wound it back so as not to have an embarrassing episode play out on live TV

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    Default Re: 2 incidents - Wallabies v Springboks 18/9/21

    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Default Re: 2 incidents - Wallabies v Springboks 18/9/21

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    "Whilst the Australian player was vulnerable, the contact with the head was not intentional or highly reckless. Wiese was shown to be grabbing for the ball rather than targeting the head of the Australian player. The low force, modest speed, indirect contact and the turning motion used by Weise, meant that the situation was not a highly dangerous one [when compared to the World Rugby examples]."

    What was that you said in the "horrible tackle" thread about "intention based decision making" Dickie?Here's one that went through the head contact protocols, and yet they still took intent into account!
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