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    Default Goal line DO vs Scrum 5

    The new law around the goal line drop out for the ball being held up got me wondering how people are refereeing it.

    When I was refereeing, I'd want to see the ball being grounded in goal. If I couldn't see the ball I'd almost always go with a scrum five (except on a few occasions when I was confident enough that it was actually grounded, even if I didn't see).

    It didn't make much difference then - held up in goal and play stopped for any other reason would both be a scrum five.

    So do referees now have to actually see the ball being held up (or be confident it was) to give the goal line drop out? And would you ever say "I couldn't see if it was held up or not, scrum five"?

    I suspect I know the answer.

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    Default Re: Goal line DO vs Scrum 5

    If you see it grounded its a Try.
    If you see it held up its a GLD.

    If your not sure, or can't see it has to be a GLD.

    There is no basis in law for a scrum 5 in these circumstances, unless the ball is grounded, but there is doubt over which team grounded the ball first.

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    It's made no difference to my decision making, just different outcomes for the teams. In my game on Saturday I had both the usual 'held up' appeals, the boot under the ball (leaning to one side touching the try line), and the mysterious hand that wasn't there when the ball was grounded, yet somehow was there when the bodies stood up (yet the ball was still touching the grass) - both tries.

    Only had two held ups. one was going back for a penalty anyway, and the other was a maul anywhere else on the pitch except it had gone in goal - anyone want to guess what happened the mili-second I blew and called it held up ? ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flish View Post
    (Only had two held ups. one was going back for a penalty anyway, and the other was a maul anywhere else on the pitch except it had gone in goal - anyone want to guess what happened the mili-second I blew and called it held up ? ;-)
    I’ve no idea what happened when you blew, but what is the decision on an unsuccessful maul which started in the field of play and ends up in goal? I had one at the weekend and gave a scrum to the defending team (on the grounds it was a maul). I’m now thinking it should have been GLO as effectively held up in goal. Anyone know the right answer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zebra1922 View Post
    I’ve no idea what happened when you blew, but what is the decision on an unsuccessful maul which started in the field of play and ends up in goal? I had one at the weekend and gave a scrum to the defending team (on the grounds it was a maul). I’m now thinking it should have been GLO as effectively held up in goal. Anyone know the right answer?
    I blew 1 milisecond before the attacking team wriggled free and grounded it! They'd had a good chunk of time though, I gave GLDO as held up over the try line and took in by attackers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flish View Post
    I blew 1 milisecond before the attacking team wriggled free and grounded it! They'd had a good chunk of time though, I gave GLDO as held up over the try line and took in by attackers
    If it's held up it doesn't matter who took it in .. GLD

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    Default Re: Goal line DO vs Scrum 5

    Quote Originally Posted by Zebra1922 View Post
    I’ve no idea what happened when you blew, but what is the decision on an unsuccessful maul which started in the field of play and ends up in goal? I had one at the weekend and gave a scrum to the defending team (on the grounds it was a maul). I’m now thinking it should have been GLO as effectively held up in goal. Anyone know the right answer?
    The maul has ended successfully by going into In Goal and ceasing to be a maul. So the judgement moves onto when it is successfully 'held up'.
    Be reasonable - do it my way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    If it's held up it doesn't matter who took it in .. GLD
    Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Decorily View Post
    Really?
    Seems so, and if I’m honest I think I would have got that wrong, not that I can recall a defender taking it back and getting held up, normally they manage to get it down or hoof it badly;

    When a player carrying the ball is held up in the in-goal so that the player cannot ground or play the ball, the ball is dead. Play restarts with a goal line drop-out.

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    Default Re: Goal line DO vs Scrum 5

    My understanding is that the ball must be taken in to the ingoal by the attacking team.
    Law 12 specifies so!Screenshot_2021-10-07-09-48-22.jpg[ATTA

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