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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E View Post
    If you see it grounded its a Try.
    If you see it held up its a GLD.

    If your not sure, or can't see it has to be a GLD.
    Law says that if there is doubt about grounding then 5m Scrum, attacking ball.
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    Default Re: Goal line DO vs Scrum 5

    Quote Originally Posted by beckett50 View Post
    Law says that if there is doubt about grounding then 5m Scrum, attacking ball.
    The correct wording is "If there is doubt about which team first grounded the ball in in-goal..."
    In this case the ball has not been grounded. It is held up.

    So, GLD because of 21.16 or 5m attacking scrum because 12.12(a) says a GLD only for an attacking player taking the ball in?

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    Default Re: Goal line DO vs Scrum 5

    Quote Originally Posted by beckett50 View Post
    Law says that if there is doubt about grounding then 5m Scrum, attacking ball.
    As mentioned that law applies if it's been grounded, but you're not sure who by.

    My reference was when you're not sure if it was grounded or held up?
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    Another GLDO question if I may. The GLDO/22DO/5m scrum matrix doesn't seem to specifically address (unless I've missed it) what's to be done if the ball carrier throws a pass forward while in goal. 5m scrum to defenders or GLDO?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bearandbu View Post
    Another GLDO question if I may. The GLDO/22DO/5m scrum matrix doesn't seem to specifically address (unless I've missed it) what's to be done if the ball carrier throws a pass forward while in goal. 5m scrum to defenders or GLDO?
    If the ball carrier is an attacker .. GLDO (same as knick on)
    If the ball carrier is a defender .. 5m scrum

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    Default Re: Goal line DO vs Scrum 5

    Quote Originally Posted by bearandbu View Post
    Another GLDO question if I may. The GLDO/22DO/5m scrum matrix doesn't seem to specifically address (unless I've missed it) what's to be done if the ball carrier throws a pass forward while in goal. 5m scrum to defenders or GLDO?
    I notice you are in the USA, they sometimes interpret things differently to the rest of the world.

    The logical thing would be to treat it the same as a knock on, because this is what you would do anywhere else on the field of play, so in your scenario it would be a GLD (if done by an attacker).

    The debate on USA referees on Facebook is that the GLD law specifically mentions a knock on, but not a forward pass, so it should be a scrum 5.
    However the law is not written (as OB is fond of pointing out) by a lawyer. It is a framework from which the referee can attempt to get a game of rugby going. If we stuck to the legal definition of every law we wouldn't have a game of rugby, we would have a whistle fest, so common sense has to come into play sometimes.

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    Having said all that you would be mad to go against the status quo in your own country. So in your situation stick to the battles you can win and go with what USA Rugby tells you to do.

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    Phil E - eminently sensible advice.
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    Default Re: Goal line DO vs Scrum 5

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E View Post
    ... so in your scenario it would be a GLD (if done by an attacker).

    The debate on USA referees on Facebook is that the GLD law specifically mentions a knock on, but not a forward pass, so it should be a scrum 5.
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    though you'd seriously have to question the sanity of an attacker, in goal that made a forward pass rather than just scored ?

    (caveat: assuming that he hadn't made the error of not knowing (s)he was in goal. Which I've never seen in 45+ years of playing, coaching, watching. But that said I will see it next weekend now!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    though you'd seriously have to question the sanity of an attacker, in goal that made a forward pass rather than just scored ?

    (caveat: assuming that he hadn't made the error of not knowing (s)he was in goal. Which I've never seen in 45+ years of playing, coaching, watching. But that said I will see it next weekend now!)
    There is a video of this somewhere , I can remember
    Pro game on TV

    The team is fifty point up, and he passes to a mate, so that the mate can have a try

    Forwards !

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    There is a video of this somewhere , I can remember
    Pro game on TV

    The team is fifty point up, and he passes to a mate, so that the mate can have a try

    Forwards !
    He turns to face his own goal line and then passes it backwards to a mate, which is of course actually forwards

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