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    Question Post Match Socialising

    OK, OK, I know its nearly the end of the season and I've been doing this for a while but...

    Recently got marked down for 'post match player communication'. I have to admit that I normally talk to the skippers, coaches and maybe some of the forwards.

    How do you break the ice, and to whom do you guys converse?
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    ?? Too much, or too little?
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    Ignoring all players and coaches and leaving without a word - Bad

    Having a beer with the captains and coaches - Good

    Organizing the boat race and leading the bar in "Get it down you Zulu Warrior" - Too Much

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    Personally, I never want to see see Nick running a zulu!

    I do like to talk to coaches and players after matches. I think it helps sort out expectations and understanding of the law.

    On a side note, the time I send at a post match varies depending on the side. For clubs, I go to the post game msot of the time. For colleges, I talk to the coaches and players at the pitch during the b-side -- if I am not refereeing it. I do this to avoid any issues that might arise. For youth sides, I like to talk to the coaches post match.

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    Hi

    I have been told off by assessors for being too player friendly before the match and during the match. They tell me this can sometime make for some of my management issues I used to have.

    Now I warm up on my own, chat with player front row 9 and 10, then just go off and warm up.

    Afterwards in the bar I will talk to players, coaches etc..

    David

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    Diff assessors have diff attitudes as regards this, IMHO.

    I have been told i am too player friendly ... only to be told by players that they appreciate the dialogue afterwards and before. That I am human and not a policeman etc.

    I dont think there is a right answer ...
    I love chewing the chaffe with fellow FRers and other players ...
    to 10: "why did you take that option ?"
    "i thought 12 was excellent todayu why didnt you use him mroe often?"
    to capt: "why didnt you take the points?"

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    After the match I generally have a pint and a chat with captains and players - chew the fat, any issue, commenst on the play - my view of their performance - missed tackles, speed to the breakdown, whatever.

    If an assessor feels that to be too player friendly then he may choose to mark me down.

    I, of course, also have a form to fill in about the assessor.

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    Yes we have forms that we can fill in about the assessor, however we will all have known of bits that we put in that got back to the assessor.

    I once put in a blast about an assessor who was watching me at a lvl 10 game, and later in the season he assessed me again at lvl 8 society was apprehensive about how we would interact, luckily it went ok

    Virtually all assessors have their little bug bears that they allways pick on whether a major issue or not, if you get the same assessor you know what he likes and you can moderate your game a bit

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    you know what he likes and you can moderate your game a bit
    No. I don't.

    I will gladly accept advice - and try it out. If I find it doesn't work for me then I either stop doing it, or if I think its me not the advice - seek further advice on how to put it into practice.

    But the assessor gets me reffing the way I ref - not modified based on what he in particular may or may not have said before; but modified by the accumulation of all the good advice I have had from all sources upto that point.

    And unmodified by any advice which has not worked for me - regardless of who gave it.

    The assessors I do get seem to prefer it that way - and most are very happy with the idea that what may work for one ref doesn't work for all - and that the ref himself needs to make the decision as to the best way to overcome possible weaknesses in his game.

    But maybe that's because we have some good assessors in Hampshire, who take a mature and reasoned approach to their role, rather than just "Do as I say, and we'll get on fine."

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    Quote Originally Posted by QE2wgc View Post
    Virtually all assessors have their little bug bears that they allways pick on whether a major issue or not, if you get the same assessor you know what he likes and you can moderate your game a bit
    Why the hell would you do this? If you referee the same team twice, with different assessors at each match, you're going to tell me that you referee certain areas differently? How the hell is the team going to interpret this?
    Quite simply, they now realise that you're an inconsistent referee.

    Tell the players that you will be harsher wrt boots-on-bodies, scrum-feeds, etc this time around b\c the assessor is really nitpicky about it and they will laugh at you. It's you refereeing the game, so why should you referee it as if you were someone else?

    Does anyone think that maybe in this case it's the assessors that need changing and not the referee? For example If an evaluator picks up on a referee's positioning each time, citing his own golden standard and why it trumps anything else he sees on the pitch, sooner or later the evaluator's evaluators (the ones who watch the ones who watch referees) will pick up on this. While positioning has no real effect on the interpretation of Law, changing it to please the evaluator seems like a case of the tail wagging the dog. Do what you're comfortable with, and re-enforce that in the post match discussion as he/she tries to paint you with the same brush as everyone else.

    Referee what's in front of you. Plus, there's no way I'm going to remember anything about the assessor once the match kicks off!

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