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    I have, this season, seen U16 teams participating in a post match drinking game: man of the match elected by each side, they stand on chair, drink pint (beer shandy), upside down glass on head (depending on club, done as soon as first person completes pint, or only after pint finished).

    What's the feeling / advice please?

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    steer well clear. the clubs are foolish (nay, stupid) if they allow this to go on. i wouldn't allow it in my club, and would look to take action if any of my coaches were instigating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiniRef View Post
    I have, this season, seen U16 teams participating in a post match drinking game: man of the match elected by each side, they stand on chair, drink pint (beer shandy), upside down glass on head (depending on club, done as soon as first person completes pint, or only after pint finished).

    What's the feeling / advice please?
    Nothing to do with the referee !

    On a personal level I might make a complaint to club officials regarding child welfare / safeguarding.

    Beer shandy is totally legal for over 14s

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    is it? wasn't aware of that. in what ratios? 50:50? 75:25? where is the line drawn?

    (yes, i was thinking about it with club hat on rather than referee hat - dim of me )
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    I'm going out on a limb here, but as long as it's 1 pint of shandy is there any real harm in it?

    We used to get up to probably worse than that when I was an youth player, and if we're honest we probably all did. If it creates a good team spirit, doesn't get out of hand and no damage is done I wouldn't have a problem with it myself.

    Obviously, if they were drinking shorts, getting paralytic and trashing the clubhouse that changes everything.
    Last edited by Taff; 24-11-09 at 14:11.

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    no, until you get caught serving alcohol to minors.

    (if illegal of course, i am looking it up on wiki )
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    times have changed taff .. when i was a coach i used to buy jugs of shandy for my u14 and U15 teams when they won ... about 16 yrs ago.
    We went to Twickers in 1993 and saw Engalnd beat NZ ... Dads, kids and me ended up in a right state outside Molly Malones in Richmond. Dads and kids being sick etc...
    those were teh halcyon days of yonder and sepia.
    times have changed ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon Thomas View Post
    Nothing to do with the referee !

    On a personal level I might make a complaint to club officials regarding child welfare / safeguarding.

    Beer shandy is totally legal for over 14s
    Believe it is legal at 16. It is legal to have a glass with a meal in a restaurant at age 14. At 16 you can legaly buy alcohol with a meal in a restaurant I believe. It is legal to drink from age 5 in the home!!

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    a "table meal" according to wiki. not sure if a hot dog at the rugby club allows you to stand on a chair and down a pint

    any publicans on here who can tell us?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon Thomas View Post
    Beer shandy is totally legal for over 14s
    Are you sure, Simon?

    Licensing Act 2003:

    S.146: (1) A person commits an offence if he sells alcohol to an individual aged under 18.
    (2) A club commits an offence if alcohol is supplied by it or on its behalf—
    (a) to, or to the order of, a member of the club who is aged under 18, or
    (b) to the order of a member of the club, to an individual who is aged under 18.
    (3) A person commits an offence if he supplies alcohol on behalf of a club—
    (a) to, or to the order of, a member of the club who is aged under 18, or
    (b) to the order of a member of the club, to an individual who is aged under 18.

    S.147 Allowing the sale of alcohol to children
    (1) A person to whom subsection (2) applies commits an offence if he knowingly allows the sale of alcohol on relevant premises to an individual aged under 18.
    (2) This subsection applies to a person who works at the premises in a capacity, whether paid or unpaid, which authorises him to prevent the sale.

    S.148 Sale of liqueur confectionery to children under 16
    (1) A person commits an offence if he—
    (a) sells liqueur confectionery to an individual aged under 16, or
    (b) supplies such confectionery, on behalf of a club—
    (i) to or to the order of a member of the club who is aged under 16, or
    (ii) to the order of a member of the club, to an individual who is aged under 16.

    S.150 Consumption of alcohol by children
    (1) An individual aged under 18 commits an offence if he knowingly consumes alcohol on relevant premises.

    I'm not au fait with the nuances of the licensing laws, but if it's an offence to sell a rum ba-ba, I can't see the logic of allowing the sale of a pint of 2% alcohol.

    Alcohol is defined for the purposes of the Act as any fermented, distilled or spirituous liquor, with a few exceptions. One such is any alcohol of a strength not exceeding 0.5% abv. For a 50:50 shandy, the beer component would have to be of a 1% strength. Few worthwhile beers have an abv below 4%, so I suspect that parents, bar staff and club committees would do well to prevent sales of shandies to minors.

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