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    Quote Originally Posted by oldman View Post
    I must admit to letting players, at junior and senior games. play in tights.
    I have far more important things to worry about that the guy in tights.
    Perhaps the 'blazers' should worry about more important things - the decline in adult playing numbers,the fall out of players after they leave school, the scrum and constant collapses, referee abuse. I'm sure other's can add more. No the guy in tights can play he's not going to harm anyone and at least he plays each week.
    They are not permitted. By allowing them to be worn you are allowing people to 'chisel' at laws which accelerates declining standards in all areas including as you mention referee abuse.
    Are you suggesting that the player who plays every week wearing tights, will no longer play if they are told not to wear them? I expect their team mates, the vast majority of whom survive without tights, will talk them round.
    There aren't many players who don't know they are not permitted, and who would comply if asked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldman View Post
    I must admit to letting players, at junior and senior games. play in tights.
    I have far more important things to worry about that the guy in tights.
    Perhaps the 'blazers' should worry about more important things - the decline in adult playing numbers,the fall out of players after they leave school, the scrum and constant collapses, referee abuse. I'm sure other's can add more. No the guy in tights can play he's not going to harm anyone and at least he plays each week.
    Your choice Oldman until told otherwise by London, but it wouldn't be as a referee in our Society and I suspect DB will not be in agreement with you in London either. Rugby has an ethos and culture and looking like a prima ballerina is not one of them. Of course all match officials have lots to think about, but correct attire for players (and themselves) is a basic and easy issue to deal with.

    Some of the RFU 'blazers' (as you call them) are involved in a lot of hard work and allocated significant RFU budgets to work on the areas you comment on, plus lots lots more :

    decline in adult playing numbers ? not according to the Sport England surveys and numbers registered on RugbyFirst. Play-On scheme has had a positive effect too.

    School leavers / Univ kids leaving the Game is nothing new - it was the same 30 years ago ! RFU Policy Pillar of 16-24 initiatives, RUSLOs, etc has had a positive retention effect in last 5 seasons. Success of inititives like Cronk-Cunis Festival are evidence of this. Two whole new Old Boys clubs have emerged after Cronk Cunis re-unions.

    Scrum collapses etc are an Elite Game issue - I see very few in the Community Game, where the blazers ensure through Society training and assessment that our referees do it right.

    Referee abuse - on this issue the ultimate blazer (Francis Baron) has personally been involved in setting policy and action. Societies and CBs are working hard to clamp down on it - perhaps the clubs, players and coaches should look at their own behaviour and self-discpline first !

    And by the way, I am not a full time 'blazer' as I still referee every week, assess every week too, and am a pain in the backside to quite a few of the full time blazers at the RFU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldman View Post
    Perhaps the 'blazers' should worry about more important things - the decline in adult playing numbers,the fall out of players after they leave school, the scrum and constant collapses, referee abuse. I'm sure other's can add more.
    I couldn't agree more.

    I'd add : enforcing a single se of laws in youth rugby, so that it's played the same at clubs and schools. It's ludicrous expecting a 12 year old to play to one set of laws on Saturday and another on Sunday.

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    RFU and IRB refer me to 2006 Law Ruling documentation :

    IRB Law Ruling 14 November 2006
    The FFR has requested a ruling with regard to Law 4 Players’ Clothing.
    Please provide a definition of jersey, shorts and underwear.
    The Designated Members have ruled the following in answer to the question
    raised:
    1. Jersey: a close fitting shirt worn on the upper half of the body which is not
    attached to shorts or underwear.
    2. Shorts: trousers that start at the waist and end above the knees, have an
    elasticised waist band and/or draw string, and are not attached to the jersey
    or underwear.
    3. Underwear: an undergarment, that covers the body from the waist, having
    short or no legs but does end above the knees, and worn next to the skin or
    under clothing, and not attached to the jersey or shorts.
    Page 5 of 7
    RULING 4: 2006
    Law Ruling by Designated Members of Rugby Committee
    14 June 2006

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon Thomas View Post
    Also to be very clear I have been told by RFU that there is no intention to ask kids of continuum age groups to remove leggings even in matches. And a sensible coach on cold days would encourage their use or track suit trousers.

    Likewise we all need to show some common sense - when I reffed a match in full tracksuit and wet weather gear with bobble hat in Estonia a few years ago all the players had tracksuit trousers or ladies tights on - it was -15 !

    Didds - as I said above I have asked for RFU / IRB documentation
    And they need to understand the need for confirming what you've written above loud and clear in the Continuum and junior variations.

    Because when, not if, this causes disputes pitchside with Old Wangerians U9s, the people trying to do the sensible thing of keeping children safe and comfortable in poor conditions need to have the backing of the RFU in writing. Not some vague notion that "sensible people would understand this".

    Because "sensible people" coach U7s to cavalry charge, U8s to contest 3 man scrums, U9 scrum halves to follow the ball onto the opposition side of the scrum and U9 backs to walk forward while the "referee" coaches (out of necessity) the scrum.

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    Even at continuum age groups, tracksuit bottoms with zips should not be worn - even if the zip is initially tucked into a sock. Any tackler may slide down so that the zip makes contact with the eye, and you would far prefer to be taken to task for giving a chap chilly legs than for blinding his opponent. The same risk applies to zipped pockets, where the initial hit of the tackle will bring the eye and the zip into far too close proximity for anyone's comfort.

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    Sorry gents, but I'm struggling to imagine what "Leggins" or "Tights" even look like.

    Anyone got a photo or possibly a link to some on a retailers site?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taff View Post
    Sorry gents, but I'm struggling to imagine what "Leggins" or "Tights" even look like.

    Anyone got a photo or possibly a link to some on a retailers site?
    It's easy to visualise. Just picture your clubs front row in ballet kit and you'll have it. Oh, replace the tutu with rugby shorts.
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    PaulDG - I am informing my members in the Society and with my CB Executive Director & Youth Committee to our Clubs that in line with IRB/RFU guidance and Law Ruling 4 2006

    a) leggings are not legal match wear for Adult and older Youth matches

    b) subject to weather conditions, or even personal preferences with discretion, at Continuum level they can be worn. Coaches and referees should use common sense.

    Perhaps East Midlands should do the same - I know you have good guys like John Wearing and Paul Rogers on board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldman View Post
    I have far more important things to worry about that the guy in tights.
    Perhaps the 'blazers' should worry about more important things - the decline in adult playing numbers,the fall out of players after they leave school, the scrum and constant collapses, referee abuse.
    Dealing with clothing takes place just before the match starts. That does not conflict with anything else in your list, so is no excuse for not dealing with it.
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