SARefs on the attack!

[Robert Burns]

http://www.sareferees.co.za/news/ref_news/2381442.htm

I agree!

 

[Davet]

Go for it guys.

Just 1 query on the stats

17 Collapses

7 resets, 7 Penalties, 2 FKs = 16

What happened on the 17th collapse?

 

[Phil E]

What happened on the 17th collapse?

Just a slip ref, just a slip!

 

[Davet]

So why not reset it....why are there not therefore 8 resets, 7 Penalties and 2 FKs = the 17 collapses.

As it stands one of the collapses led to neither reset nor sanction - was it played on?

 

[TheBFG]

So why not reset it....why are there not therefore 8 resets, 7 Penalties and 2 FKs = the 17 collapses.

As it stands one of the collapses led to neither reset nor sanction - was it played on?

if the ball had made it to the 8's feet i think i would have said "play on" with that many cock ups

 

[Davet]

if the ball had made it to the 8's feet i think i would have said "play on" with that many cock ups

Indeed

:nono:

20.3.h
8.3.d

Both require an immediate whistle in the case of a scrum collapse.

At community level this is a huge safety factor, and Safety is your priority.

If there were an injury you would be in exactly the same legal position as if you had not ordered uncontested scrums when no STE FR was available.

 

[OB..]

I don't know how the statistical categories are defined, but it could be that collapses are not the the penalisable sort, and resets only count all unspecified reasons for resetting.

Or perhaps there is an error.

 

[Robert Burns]

Yes, Play on I believe.

 

[Davet]

Robbie

really - when the Law says you may not?

 

[andyscott]

Make them go uncontested, you will only have to do it once at the elite level then players might the message.

Sure you may not get another game, but you could always positively spin it, sacked because you wanted to ensure safety

 

[didds]

Robbie

really - when the Law says you may not?

AIUI dave, this is an "agreement" in the elite game.

more grist to the mill?

didds

 

[Toby Warren]

Robbie

really - when the Law says you may not?

Play on - it happens most games at Elite level.

Ref would be panned for not letting it play on (wrongly but you can hear it 'WHy stop the game when the ball is 8s feet and and ready to be passed away)

 

[Donal1988]

Ref would be panned for not letting it play on (wrongly but you can hear it 'WHy stop the game when the ball is 8s feet and and ready to be passed away)

Just give a reply to the captain of "Im sorry gentlemen but for safety reasons I cant ignore a collapsed scrum"

Safety, Equity, Law. Safety is always criteria number 1 not entertainment.

 

[Davet]

I did say "Community level".

What goes on in the upper atmosphere has zero relevance.

At that level players are aware enough and skilled enough to react to the collapse and stop shoving.

At Bogcaster Extra B level they just shove on, head down, brain off and legs pumping.

If YOU (by which I mean all known posters with possible exception of NP guys) don't whistle then you are in a potentially dangerous place should there be an injury.

You would be in exactly the same position as you would be if you had not gone to uncontested scrums when no STE FR available. - ie in court without a paddle

 

[Robert Burns]

Robbie

really - when the Law says you may not?

I'm not talking about law, I mean I'm fairly sure the other was a play on.

We all know what the law says, and we all see what elite guys do when it's at the back of a collapsed scrum.

Not taking an opinion on if it's right, because it won't change anything up there.

 

[TheBFG]

Robbie

really - when the Law says you may not?

you mean to say that every time a ball has got to the 8's feet and the FR have slipped and gone down you've blown for a re-set:chin:

you know when a scrum has gone down cus one side has let the push go because they thought the ball was out, if you'd had a bad day at the office with scrum that would be a materiality moment in anyones book:wink:

 

[Davet]

you mean to say that every time a ball has got to the 8's feet and the FR have slipped and gone down you've blown for a re-set:chin:

You mean you haven't?

Brave man.

Law is explicit - scrum collapses you MUST blow, you MUST NOT play advantage.

 

[Dixie]

Law is explicit - scrum collapses you MUST blow, you MUST NOT play advantage.

Another example of where the bad habits of the elite referees are putting Community players' necks, adn their referees' houses, at risk.